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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 16 Oct 2017
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      Protip: academic board observed secret and so did vendors. The OpenBSD patch went unnoticed. It was the Infosec community that screwed up.https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/919972354947796993 …

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      Hector Martin @marcan42
      Protip: this makes your disclosure *irresponsible*. So does notifying an academic review board 2 months before notifying vendors. Asshole. pic.twitter.com/7pu3Qhn0cd
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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      Disclosing to those unrelated to fixing the bug 2+ months before for acad brownie points is irresponsible. Infosec community did what?

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    3. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 16 Oct 2017
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      Why? That’s a very typical process for academic submissions.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      Typical does not make it right, and most (good) academic security papers aren't about software bugs but about deeper protocol/crypto breaks.

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    5. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 16 Oct 2017
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      Not true. And typical, since it does not do any harm, makes it reasonable and not “irresponsible”.

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      It does harm - it adds 2+ months to the vulnerability window. At the very least you should be sending drafts of the paper out to vendors.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      Finishing the paper, sending it in for review, *waiting 2 damn months* then casually starting to notify vendors is utterly ridiculous.

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    8. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 16 Oct 2017
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      The two months do not add to nothing. You should try reading the ISO standards and some prior debate on disclosure.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      You should try applying some logic. By your theory extra delay adds nothing, so we might as well never audit anything.

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    10. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 16 Oct 2017
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      Nope, logic does not work that way, sorry.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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      It actually does. If disclosure delay has zero impact at t+2 months for an arbitrary t=time to bug discovery, then by induction impact is 0.

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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 16 Oct 2017
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          Therefore we might as well go with an infinite disclosure delay and not bother finding the bugs in the first place.

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        2. Bobo_PK‏ @Bobo_PK 16 Oct 2017
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          Full and emediate discloser ALWAYS. Vendors will not act responsible until they lose money.

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        1. XO Khaos‏ @XO_Khaos 17 Oct 2017
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          If the impact of 2 months warning ahead is indeed zero then, yea. I think @raistolo got caught up in his own web of"typcial process" there

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        1. Stefano Zanero‏Verified account @raistolo 18 Oct 2017
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          I remember they explained to me why the paradox of Achilles and the Turtle does not really work at some point during school...

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Oct 2017
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          Thankfully this has nothing whatsoever to do with that paradox.

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