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Hector Martin
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Hector Martin

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      5/n Much longer way of saying the disagreement might not be on size of blacklist but the user's experience with the blacklist ;p

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    2. Royce Williams‏ @TychoTithonus 8 Aug 2017
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      👍👍👍 :) Put another way: teaching/UX about entire *classes* of bad password scales much better than a huge list of *only* leaked passwords

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    3. Per Thorsheim‏Verified account @thorsheim 8 Aug 2017
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      Use Chinese. Use Japanese. Use Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew & Arabic. Use Unicode. Use it all. Choose life. Choose UX. Choose your own password.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @thorsheim @TychoTithonus and

      If you think using Japanese or Chinese for passwords is reasonable, you clearly know nothing about how those two languages work.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @marcan42 @thorsheim and

      Hint: the sequence of keypresses to type in those languages is unmemorizable and even nondeterministic, thus incompatible w/ password boxes.

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    6. Royce Williams‏ @TychoTithonus 8 Aug 2017
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      Huh. I assumed that if a char is type-able, result would be independent of keystroke combos. Where can I read more about this?

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @TychoTithonus @thorsheim and

      Japanese is typed phonetically but that representation is ambiguous. Disambiguation is an interactive process with feedback.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      And since modern IMEs are adaptive and take into account past usage, the disambiguation part is nondeterministic.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_input_methods#Kana_to_kanji_conversion … . In practice what ends up happening is your password is exposed until IME is done, then turns into ••••••••.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @marcan42 @TychoTithonus and

      (Which was really annoying for me when KDE4 had that bug where it kept allowing the IME on password boxes; KDE5 fixed it)

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @marcan42 @TychoTithonus and

      It would be possible to type phonetic-only Japanese (kana) for passwords, but that is typed identically to romanized Japanese.

      11:29 AM - 8 Aug 2017
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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          At which point you have the same entropic content as just typing it in ASCII to begin with - same keys, different input mode, no point.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          I don't know Chinese but I understand the process works in a similar way, broadly speaking. Except they don't even have pure phonetics.

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        1. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @marcan42 @TychoTithonus and

          What I like is the number of sites that will take non-ascii code and convert it before hashing. Ex Gawker set where it replaced with '!'

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @lakiw @TychoTithonus and

          Ah, those are the best systems. Reminds me of https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3cqx3n/the_worst_password_system_in_the_multiverse/ … .

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