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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      While I'm throwing grenades, what makes a "strong" blacklist? What should I tell a website admin today? Where do they get it?

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    2. Royce Williams‏ @TychoTithonus 8 Aug 2017
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      Goal is to resist *targeted* per-user online attack before other throttling kicks in. https://github.com/dropbox/zxcvbn  is a solid starter pack

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    3. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @TychoTithonus @thorsheim and

      I agree with @TychoTithonus. UX is the most important, and thanks for recommending zxcvbn as a blacklist since that highlights the UX issue

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    4. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      1/n Zxcvbn has multiple blacklists, which ones it uses is complicated since there's rankings and thresholds....

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    5. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      2/n Zxcvbn default blacklists: 100k english words from wikipidia, ~100k names (first + last), 47k common passwords, 39k words from tv & film

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    6. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      3/n Zxcvbn checks for mangled variations of its blacklists. Aka could easily be said it has over 300mil blacklist depending on configuration

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    7. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      4/n What I think makes Zxcvbn different from using Troy Hunt's list though is that it attempts to explain why a password was rejected aka UX

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    8. Lakiw has 15% of your password‏ @lakiw 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @lakiw @TychoTithonus and

      5/n Much longer way of saying the disagreement might not be on size of blacklist but the user's experience with the blacklist ;p

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    9. Royce Williams‏ @TychoTithonus 8 Aug 2017
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      👍👍👍 :) Put another way: teaching/UX about entire *classes* of bad password scales much better than a huge list of *only* leaked passwords

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    10. Per Thorsheim‏Verified account @thorsheim 8 Aug 2017
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      Use Chinese. Use Japanese. Use Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew & Arabic. Use Unicode. Use it all. Choose life. Choose UX. Choose your own password.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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      Replying to @thorsheim @TychoTithonus and

      If you think using Japanese or Chinese for passwords is reasonable, you clearly know nothing about how those two languages work.

      11:05 AM - 8 Aug 2017
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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          Hint: the sequence of keypresses to type in those languages is unmemorizable and even nondeterministic, thus incompatible w/ password boxes.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          Which is why every Japanese site tells you to use ASCII passwords, because chaos would ensure if they ever tried to actually allow Japanese.

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        1. Maximilian Golla‏ @m33x 8 Aug 2017
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          Yeah @thorsheim is a password rookie I totally agree 😂👍🤦‍♂️

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          Go make up and type some passwords in Japanese, I'll be waiting to see how well that goes ;)

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        1. Per Thorsheim‏Verified account @thorsheim 8 Aug 2017
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          Replying to @marcan42 @TychoTithonus and

          I’ll admit I don’t know Chinese or Japanese, but I’ve been co-supervising a Chinese PhD student doing pwd research. Does that count?

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 8 Aug 2017
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          Have you spoken to him about how passwords work in Chinese? ;)

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