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Hector Martin

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

Tokyo, Japan
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    1. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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      @marcan42 Combine a NAND simulator with a capacitive "finger" simulator (as shown at DefCon a few years back) built out of LEGO, boom! …

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer Actually those Chinese PIN crackers submit PINs via USB, seems it'll take HID input or something like that.

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    3. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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      @marcan42 Yeah, but I was under the assumption those PIN crackers are using jailbreak methods to abuse the process; not Apple tools.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer No jailbreak. If they injected software they wouldn't need to crack anything. It's the replay attack except abusing a bug.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer ... basically a race condition that means that if you power down the phone fast enough the retry counter isn't incremented.

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer (they fixed that in newer iOS versions)

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    7. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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      @marcan42 But chinese PIN crackers aren't working on newer iOS either. Nothing since iOS 9, and only limitedly against 8, my understanding.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer Right, because they fixed the NAND update race condition. But the mechanism is the same, you just need a full NAND sim now.

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    9. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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      @marcan42 Ahhh…gotcha. But still need to have process running listening on USB for passcode attempts, eh? Thought Apple "closed" that in 9.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer They can't start a process to listen for PINs (not jailbroken); AFAIK that is a built in feature.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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      @ScooterComputer It is possible, however, that it got removed in iOS 9 (maybe it was unintentional). I don't know if it did.

      10:59 AM - 18 Mar 2016
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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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          @ScooterComputer Either way though, worst case the easy way is to tap the touchscreen SPI bus wire and emulate that.

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        2. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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          @marcan42 Just thought it rather telling that FBI –ASKED–. I mean, like you say…there are ways. Yet FBI TELLING court there are not.

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        1. Scott‏ @ScooterComputer 18 Mar 2016
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          @marcan42 I think it did…wasn't that one of the things @JZdziarski documented in the "diagnostic tools"?

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Mar 2016
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          @ScooterComputer @JZdziarski Maybe? Got any references? I assumed it was either either an iTunes protocol feature or HID input.

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