Hector Martin

you'd think supposedly-logical people would agree that if 98% of Y are caused by X and the prior of X is 50%, then X is likely a factor in Y

@FioraAeterna X is likely an indirect factor in Y, but that doesn't mean Y is directly caused by X or that the way to fix Y is to fix X.

@marcan42 sure, but that likely means that X is at least worth talking about with respect to Y, to figure out whatever the root cause is

@FioraAeterna Sure, but there's reasonable ways of talking about X wrt Y, and then there's inflammatory troll/clickbait.

@FioraAeterna The ongoing flamewar is less about X vs. Z and more about people on both sides abandoning all pretense of reasonable dialogue.

@marcan42 all I've seen are a few people saying "hey, maybe ultra-masculinity is part of the problem here?" and trolls attacking them