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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 1
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      Well, this is funny. Pro Tools under Rosetta runs faster on M1 Macs vs Intel Macs... But Apple's own Logic Pro runs much worse on M1, natively. https://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/2012/16/news101.html … https://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/2101/02/news014.html …

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 1
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      I think this is a good example of what I've been saying all along: that the M1 is a great chip which is competitive with Intel and excels at many things, but that it all depends on the specific software.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 1
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      I expect things will improve over time, but before moving your workflow to M1 Macs, *test* whatever it is you're doing. Still looking forward to doing my own tests under Linux, especially at low buffer sizes :-)

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    4. puhitaku‏ @puhitaku Jan 1
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      I suspect that the difference in memory size between the Macs affected the result. The author used reverb effects that might consume a large amount of memory. Still looking forward to an additional comparison with the same memory size.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 1
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      I can't imagine a single DSP reason for a reverb plugin to need more than a few megabytes of RAM at most.

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    6. puhitaku‏ @puhitaku Jan 1
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      Honestly I'm not confident of my inference though :P but at least the Intel Mac in the article has 4x bigger memory than the M1 Mac and it might result a difference other than the difference of computational capacity. (BTW I started to donate Asahi Linux last month. Keep it up!)

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    7. puhitaku‏ @puhitaku Jan 1
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      I want the author to show more values like a graph of memory consumption and CPU % etc.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 2
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      I agree that it would be nice to confirm, but I thought about this and concluded that a reverb plugin shouldn't be eating RAM. i.e. if it is that would be a giant bug, but I don't think the fabfilter guys are that terrible at plugin dev ;)

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    9. puhitaku‏ @puhitaku Jan 2
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      puhitaku Retweeted オカモトタカシ(12sound LLC)＊法人化しました！

      I got some info related to reverbs:https://twitter.com/t_okmt_12sound/status/1345287358917197829 …

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      オカモトタカシ(12sound LLC)＊法人化しました！ @t_okmt_12sound
      「SpaceDesigner」はサンプリングリバーブで「Pro-R」は演算リバーブなのでメモリ搭載量の差がテキメンに出てる＆Logicは「再生時にどのトラックをアクティブにしているか」で負荷が著しく変動するのでその辺の条件揃えたい / “M1 Mac、まさかの敗北　Apple純正Logic Proで…” https://htn.to/2UUj4ipDeT 
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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 2
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      Replying to @puhitaku

      Yes, I considered that. Sampling reverbs (i.e. convolution-based ones) should use at most 4x reverb tail length for the impulses (stereo cross pairs), which is less than 8MB per instance for a 10-second reverb time (which is quite long).

      4:51 AM - 2 Jan 2021
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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 2
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          Here is a test with Space Designer on Pro Tools on M1, where M1 still won with hundreds of instances. So there is something about Logic Pro with Space Designer that falls over. https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/macbook-pro-m1-audio-power-test-logic-pro … So there is some

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 Jan 2
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          It might be that Pro Tools is running Space Designer in x86 mode under Rosetta, and that Apple *completely* fucked up the M1 port of Space Designer and it's *way* slower than emulating the x86 version. I could totally see that.

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