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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2020
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      Another benchmark, M1 vs Ryzen 5800X on single threaded workloads. Ryzen wins the benchmarks, but the M1 has better perf/watt.https://github.com/tuhdo/tuhdo.github.io/blob/master/emacs-tutor/zen3_vs_m1.org …

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2020
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      Package power delta for 0 to 1 core loading on M1 is ~10W peak, ~25W for the Ryzen, though the author undervolted it so it might be lower. Core power deltas seem to be closer to 6W for M1, 17W for the Ryzen (guessing from the non memory intensive test for the M1).

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2020
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      But that Ryzen is definitely not optimizing for perf/watt. The 5600X is only ~5% slower on clock but ends up on ~17W package, ~12W core delta. So again I'm getting a bit of a "meh" feeling here.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2020
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      I think if AMD moved to 5nm and put out an APU with the same design targets as the M1, they could hit comparable results. But Apple has been improving their chips at a ridiculous speed... So the real question is what will happen on their *next* generation.

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    5. grs  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿  🖖‏ @0xGRS 19 Dec 2020
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      TSMC 7nm+ (introducting EUV) is indeed optimised for performance and not really for power efficiency and AMD are definitely designing for that. TSMC 5nm EUV that the M1 uses has a massive 30% power improvement over 7nm.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2020
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      I bet Apple has better power management too. x86 systems have always kind of sucked at that, and that does a lot for the "battery lasts forever" results.

      6:16 PM - 19 Dec 2020
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        2. grs  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿  🖖‏ @0xGRS 19 Dec 2020
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          Definitely. The problem AMD currently has is the 12nm I/O die power usage and whatever the heck is going on with the X570 chipset. That's kinda why I can see the I/O die going 7nm and K12 being introduced in the chipset. More so when one thinks of Epyc in the future.

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          Don't forget the RAM. On-package dies save a lot of power. Apple isn't doing that to screw over repairs folks. Multiple cm of a 128bit (2xSODIMM) multi GHz bus plus a connector? That's not free.

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