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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Nikolaj Schlej‏ @NikolajSchlej 17 Dec 2020
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      Nikolaj Schlej Retweeted Longhorn

      Some more context to this: while a customKC (which is basically "something resembling Mach-O kernel file to transfer control to instead of the original kernel") payload is indeed unsigned, it's hash is still signed by machine-specific key, so chain of trust is preserved.https://twitter.com/never_released/status/1339753170629746690 …

      Nikolaj Schlej added,

      Longhorn @never_released
      macOS 11.2 public beta 1 is released now. macOS 11.2 adds the kmutil configure-boot command to chainload to an unsigned bootloader on Apple Silicon Macs.
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    2. Nikolaj Schlej‏ @NikolajSchlej 17 Dec 2020
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      The user can break it on their first stage, if they choose to, but there's no way to "disable SecureBoot" on Apple Silicon Macs (as in "disable signature verification entirely").

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    3. Nikolaj Schlej‏ @NikolajSchlej 17 Dec 2020
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      Big thanks to @XenoKovah for designing the mechanism. Looking forward to see the exciting new bootloaders and kernels (TianoCore? Linux? *BSD? Redox?) that the community will end up using it for.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @NikolajSchlej @XenoKovah

      What's the motivation for having this requirement, by the way? Obviously you can break it (as I will as my step 0, for practical purposes, regardless of whether we try doing secureboot linux in the future), but why not just let you skip that step?

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    5. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

      There are multiple use cases for running custom code in kernelspace. For some the customer still wants it to run with high security. For others they don't care about security anymore.

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    6. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @XenoKovah @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

      In general the threat models which include physical tamper quickly get too complex for most people to effectively reason about (but this is why I put more detailed docs into the queue for later release.)

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    7. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @XenoKovah @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

      So people don't really know just how vulnerable they're becoming when they disable any of the security mechanisms. So the goal was to make it architecturally default to still being secure / proving customer-consent for the next stage boot object ...

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    8. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @XenoKovah @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

      not just *any* boot object, which would be what they get if it skipped directly to "no security" like the previous T2 design. In so doing, less people will be shooting themselves in the foot and running with effectively no security and thinking they have some security

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    9. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @XenoKovah @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

      Obviously we're talking about protecting a subset of a subset, but my job was to protect as many people as well as possible, while still providing a core capability I thought was important to have

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @XenoKovah @NikolajSchlej

      Do you have any good ideas for data recovery? E.g. on my Android phone, I know that once I unlock the bootloader I can always flash/boot some recovery/OS that will let me unlock my encrypted volume and pull data or the raw filesystem.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2020
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      Replying to @marcan42 @XenoKovah @NikolajSchlej

      Obviously that goes against your normal security model, but for those of us who'd like to *opt in* to the ability to do that, is there a way? Like, is there any path from DFU mode to custom kernel that doesn't involve wiping/partitioning the whole SSD?

      6:54 AM - 18 Dec 2020
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        2. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

          nope, there's no way to do that from DFU. But given that all security settings on M1 Macs are on a per-OS basis, the easier way to deal with that would just be to leave your main macOS/recoveryOS alone, and then set up N macOSes off to the side which you transition to a custom KC

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        3. Xeno Kovah‏ @XenoKovah 18 Dec 2020
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          Replying to @XenoKovah @marcan42 @NikolajSchlej

          If and when you break one, just boot to recoveryOS, delete the APFS volume, and configure the next one for a custom KC

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