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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      So you *can* run your own OS on M1 macs - if such an OS exists. But getting a Linux you would *want to use* working on Macs is a huge amount of work. Not something any single person could seriously tackle -and succeed at- on their spare time. It's a full-time job.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      I have experience on this front, having worked on Linux ports for a bunch of things - from getting it to run on an old ISP router back when I was 14 years old, to making PS4 Linux happen, even to the point of running Steam games with full OpenGL and Vulkan support on it.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      Porting Linux to random devices is easy. I've done one-evening ports to completely bespoke architectures other than the CPU/MMU. Porting Linux to the point where you'd *actually want to use it*, now that is much harder.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      Having financial support for such an endeavour would actually make it viable. It would go from something I could dedicate random evenings to (plus crunch time before a conference where I want to show stuff off) to something I could consistently work on.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      When I say a Linux you would actually want to use, I mean something with all basic hardware working: keyboard/touchpad/sound/screen/GPU/WiFi/BT/USB and *decent power management*.

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      The amount of effort involved to get there is proportional to how different a given platform is to existing ones. M1 macs are brand new. Other than the CPU architecture itself and a few peripherals, almost everything is Apple-custom and proprietary. Especially the GPU.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      The big time sink is GPU support, which is what takes a Linux port from being a toy to being something you would actually want to use. It's why Switch Linux and PS4 Linux happened: the Switch uses a completely standard GPU, and the PS4's is only slightly customized.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      No such luck for the M1, but we at least have the fact that it's a legacy-free architecture, comes from the mobile space (where GPUs are historically less insane than PC ones), and I trust their engineers a bit more than AMD or Nvidia ones :-)

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      The other big open source fully reverse engineered GPU driver project is Nouveau, which has shown that this is possible. Unfortunately they've been *heavily* screwed over by Nvidia (except on Tegra, the only place they've helped out at all).

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    10. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ 29 Nov 2020
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      I think that macOS isn't supporting eGPU on Apple Silicon, but I wonder if that might be a path to a working GPU for Linux? Unless there are platform-level constraints like not supporting some legacy PCI features?

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      It might, but that's not really a mainstream use case so it would be of limited value to have an eGPU-only machine.

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        1. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ 29 Nov 2020
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          Might still be handy for a Mac mini type use case, where there isn't a built-in display anyway...

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