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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      Linus himself has said he'd love to see Linux running on M1 macs, but doesn't think it'll happen. Not because they're locked down, but because Apple won't help us with documentation. But they at least did this:pic.twitter.com/71192GFcnz

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      The fact that Apple allows this in their secureboot policy is critical. Linux ports to game consoles / iPhones / etc are all fun and games, but you're always at the mercy of exploits, and the resulting cat and mouse game.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      That means all effort is wasted unless exploits keep up, and regular users would never want to do this and severely limit their access to official upgrades and such. But this isn't an issue with M1 macs.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      Of course there are downsides (security-wise) to downgrading your secureboot policy to run Linux, but nothing that would be worse than any old x86 machine with no serious secureboot anyway, so that's hardly a problem for the kind of people who'd want to boot Linux.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      More importantly, Apple isn't going to go off suing people for working on this project. While reverse engineering macOS drivers may be legally questionable in some jurisdictions, it's perfectly legal in others, and so is getting the binaries (any mac owner can do it).

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      So what do you think? Is this something you'd actually throw money at? If there is enough interest that this might succeed, I'll open up a Patreon. Obviously all development would be public and open source.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      On a personal level, I'm already freelance and this is the kind of work I enjoy doing, so I'd be very happy to dedicate a large fraction of my time to this. (You've seen what I can do on game consoles in my spare time, think much more than that)

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      I think there is no point on working on this unless a certain minimum is met such that I can guarantee a decent time investment - I don't want this to be another half-assed Linux port that makes for a fancy tech demo but nobody would actually want to use.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      So I'm thinking I would set up the Patreon in "pay per creation" mode initially, or otherwise paused, and not charge anything until I reach a minimum threshold (TBD). Thoughts?

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    10. Manawyrm‏ @Manawyrm 29 Nov 2020
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      Yes, please! Someone on LKML mentioned building a small hypervisor layer to fix-up some quirks and get a more standard interrupt controller emulated. Any thoughts about that? Building a usable GPU driver would be an incredible piece of work.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Nov 2020
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      Not like I didn't already write a horrible custom interrupt controller driver for the PS4 so... But yeah, if a small HV shim makes technical sense, that's a reasonable approach. A custom intermediate bootloader will almost certainly be the way to go anyway.

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        2. Manawyrm‏ @Manawyrm 29 Nov 2020
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          Yeah, totally set that up (maybe with a small GitHub readme page explaining your idea, instead of this twitter thread), for easier spreading through the web :)

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        3. Manawyrm‏ @Manawyrm 29 Nov 2020
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          Another thing in need for special care/drivers: PCIe? Not sure if Apple is using some 3rd party PCIe IP or if it's their own design.

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