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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 22 Jun 2020
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      Wondering how the Apple ARM transition is going to affect huge plug-in ecosystems, like DAWs and VSTs. This could go very poorly, with the effective loss of anything that isn't being actively developed and/or having to re-buy everything for ARM...

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 23 Jun 2020
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      I just watched the Rosetta part of the Platforms State of the Union video, and everything hints at the Rosetta boundary being the process boundary. There was nothing at all mentioned or hinted at that would imply mixing arches within a process, not even with explicit shims.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 23 Jun 2020
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          So it sounds like any developers of in-process plug-in based software like VSTs are going to have to develop full out-of-process wrapper layers if they want any cross-arch compatibility at all, and I'm telling you right now that is neither free nor easy to make work well.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 23 Jun 2020
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          (it *can* work, I use LinVST which does that with wine on Linux for running Windows VSTs, but it's very dodgy and definitely has limitations and overhead and compatibility problems)

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        2. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 23 Jun 2020
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          I don't think that's so much "hinted", more "explicitly stated" tbh as a stopgap people can run the entire app under rosetta but long-term they're gonna need either XPC-based plugins or everything to be built for ARMv8, yeah

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        3. Derek Buitenhuis‏ @daemon404 23 Jun 2020
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          RIP photoshop / nle / logic pro / $alotofotherapps plugins that dont get updated.

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        1. Paul Kratt‏ @Sappharad 23 Jun 2020
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          There’s a slide in today’s porting session that confirms your suggestion. The same presentation also mentions that Rosetta can’t be used for virtualization apps. (But they did mention yesterday that Parallels was running ARM Linux and not x86)pic.twitter.com/uDtGNmgqbd

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        1. Sergio Conde‏ @skgsergio 23 Jun 2020
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          That's how it worked Rosetta in the PPC to x86 migration, it worked at process level. It had really bad performance with CPU intensive applications. Let's see how much good (or bad) is it Rosetta 2 but definitely plugins or things like VST are out of the table if the app is ARM.

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