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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      As opposed to a scenario where Y must do as X commands and has no choice in the matter, which is something that would normally be termed a "slave".

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      The thing is "power dynamics" are rarely much of a thing in technology, given that usually there is no free will involved. Things usually do what they're programmed to do, so there is no "choice" distinction, right?

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    3. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      They do what they're programmed to do, yes. But in a distributed system some entities have a control relationship over others. Some parts execute any command they're given while others think about it, reject some according to policy, etc.

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    4. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      What i'm really getting at is, don't blindly replace one word with another unless you understand all of the subtle implications that has to the engineers reading the documentation. There likely isn't a 1:1 replacement for any problematic term.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Well, as I expressed in a previous thread we're already abusing master/slave in contexts where it has nothing to do with control, so the meaning is already all but totally diluted :-) E.g. for I²C "initiator/responder" makes a heck of a lot more sense.

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    6. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      Exactly - but if you're picking new terms, pick ones that make sense *in the context of the system you're using them in*.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Yup. Do you have an example of a case with more of a control relationship? I guess something like JTAG would qualify, but for that one we're already using "debug target".

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    8. Arsenio Dev‏ @Ascii211 11 Jun 2020
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      SPI slaving of a microcontroller, where the main UC controls the slave UC?

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      SPI is a comms protocol, it doesn't imply control. "host/device" sounds a lot more appropriate for that use case.

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    10. ubbut‏ @ubbut1 12 Jun 2020
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      So that means we then have HODI and DOHI pins?

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jun 2020
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      Actually, I was thinking of USD/DSD (upstream/downstream data). Shorter too.

      12:36 AM - 12 Jun 2020
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