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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Example usages: master document, audio master(ing)/master recording, master of an art/technique, master of ceremonies, git master branch, etc. All seem pretty standard and free from slavery connotations, but I'm not qualified to opine.

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    2. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      The other question is, what words would be preferable to "slave" if you are referring to a portion of the system that is under complete control of another and has no agency of its own? It seems like almost any term would have been used to refer to a person in the same position.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Those are actually pretty rare in my experience, but "agent" itself seems like it would work.

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    4. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      To me, "agent" implies the exact opposite power dynamic - an agent of X has the authority to act as a substitute for X, but generally has a fair bit of discretion in doing so.

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    5. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      As opposed to a scenario where Y must do as X commands and has no choice in the matter, which is something that would normally be termed a "slave".

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      The thing is "power dynamics" are rarely much of a thing in technology, given that usually there is no free will involved. Things usually do what they're programmed to do, so there is no "choice" distinction, right?

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    7. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      They do what they're programmed to do, yes. But in a distributed system some entities have a control relationship over others. Some parts execute any command they're given while others think about it, reject some according to policy, etc.

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      What i'm really getting at is, don't blindly replace one word with another unless you understand all of the subtle implications that has to the engineers reading the documentation. There likely isn't a 1:1 replacement for any problematic term.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Well, as I expressed in a previous thread we're already abusing master/slave in contexts where it has nothing to do with control, so the meaning is already all but totally diluted :-) E.g. for I²C "initiator/responder" makes a heck of a lot more sense.

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    10. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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      Exactly - but if you're picking new terms, pick ones that make sense *in the context of the system you're using them in*.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Yup. Do you have an example of a case with more of a control relationship? I guess something like JTAG would qualify, but for that one we're already using "debug target".

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        1. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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          Yeah JTAG is the sort of thing I was thinking of. Don't have any others off the top of my head.

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        2. Arsenio Dev‏ @Ascii211 11 Jun 2020
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          SPI slaving of a microcontroller, where the main UC controls the slave UC?

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        3. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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          That's a terrible example IMO because the other MCU has a processor of its own. If anything "slave" is more appropriate for something like a shift register that has no decision-making capability.

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