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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      So here's a question, particularly for POCs. Is "master" a problematic word when not juxtaposed with "slave"? My guess is not, because the word has a much broader meaning in English, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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      Example usages: master document, audio master(ing)/master recording, master of an art/technique, master of ceremonies, git master branch, etc. All seem pretty standard and free from slavery connotations, but I'm not qualified to opine.

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        2. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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          The other question is, what words would be preferable to "slave" if you are referring to a portion of the system that is under complete control of another and has no agency of its own? It seems like almost any term would have been used to refer to a person in the same position.

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        3. Andrew Zonenberg‏ @azonenberg 11 Jun 2020
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          In the case of glscopeclient multi-instrument sync, I use "primary" and "secondary" but this is more sensible because the instruments are largely independent.

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        2. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 11 Jun 2020
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          might depend on exact connotations, like I think "master recording"/"master branch" might have more potential to be problematic than the others here (but wouldn't necessarily think either necessarily is); I'm also unqualified here see also "master's degree" which seems fine

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 11 Jun 2020
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          I think for master recording/branch the meaning is more like "sourth of truth" / "original document", which seems unproblematic on the face of it.

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        2. Mikhail Davidov‏ @sirus 11 Jun 2020
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          git's use of `master` has questionable etymology: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-May/msg00066.html …

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        3. Mikhail Davidov‏ @sirus 11 Jun 2020
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          Mikhail Davidov Retweeted Lucas Garron

          https://twitter.com/lgarron/status/1271212268294823938 …

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          Lucas Garron @lgarron
          Our team at @GitHub just changed our project's main branch to `main`! We're not the only ones, and there's growing momentum to change the default across the company. 😱 It's no defunding the police, but it's nice to see progress against such entrenched practices.
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        2. Nanolx‏ @nanolx 12 Jun 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42

          since english derived from german, I would say, it's OK, because, in german someone who mastered smth is a Meister, thereas a slave master is a Sklaventreiber (slave driver), then your someones master you're ones Herr/Gebieter in german.

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        3. Nanolx‏ @nanolx 12 Jun 2020
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          the english language is a prime example of how shitty simplification might end up, three completely different things, one word. You might argue we germans differenciate too much, but better thus way than the other way round.

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        1. dam1en667‏ @dam1en667 12 Jun 2020
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          I think master as in mastery of a subject or skill should be fine... But master as in ownership and hierarchy... Not so much Unfortunately the ambiguity probably means we should change both

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        2. Sam Bingner‏ @sbingner 12 Jun 2020
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          Master / slave has no reason to be bad unless it is in relation to people. It makes perfect sense for databases etc.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jun 2020
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          Nah, master/slave is bad terminology in tech because it's overloaded too much. "primary/replica" is a lot more descriptive for databases, or "active/standby" for automated failover styles in particular. master/slave doesn't say much.

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