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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      i have used Go for the past two months now i don't know who this language is for it both treats you as too stupid and too smart at the same timehttps://twitter.com/AmyZenunim/status/1241069163772346369 …

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      i'm programming in Go now it feels like they've mashed the worst parts of C and Javascript syntax together, with the package dependency hell of early-2010s Ruby, and the elitist community of early-2000s Linux fanboys oh, and Google owns it
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    2. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      so, it's no secret that the person who designed the language (Rob Pike) made it for programmers who are too stupid (sorry, sorry, he said "unsophisticated") to know what a good programming language is and it shows in droves

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    3. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      in Go, you're not allowed to leave an variable unused. ever. for any reason. the code will not compile. unused variables are not permitted. this has a number of knock-on effects. let's say i'm trying out a function from a library i've just imported. i don't know it very well.

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    4. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      so i import the package, and call the function with the arguments i think it needs, and assigning the output to the number of variables i think it wants. i don't know that the args i've given it are wrong yet. and i won't, for another ten minutes.

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    5. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      now i have to write all of the handler code for every single variable it assigns to. i have to copy/paste an `if err != nil` 3-line boilerplate. i have to printf every variable w/ the correct type. and then, after all that, it tells me the args are wrong.

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    6. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      so i fix the args. oh, well, the library wasn't terribly clear. i actually needed a different function, with different args, and different assignments. time to spend another 10 minutes writing boilerplate. but it's just like... how is this agile? how is this iterative?

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    7. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      obviously the language thinks i'm stupid, which is why it forces me into this workflow at gunpoint. it's not like C that lets you do whatever you want, including blowing your own foot off. but then it assumes you have the entire program mapped out in your head before you begin.

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    8. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      but having it all mapped out is not how an "unsophisticated" programmer programs. they rapidly iterate, try new functions quickly and haphazardly. so it wasn't designed for "unsophisticated" programmers. it was designed for smart supersenior programmers.

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    9. ★ Alice V.(Tuber) ★‏ @AmyZenunim 1 Jun 2020
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      everything is regimented in its design to keep people from "hurting themselves, but its design is still inscrutable. it's like a strict teacher who thinks you're stupid but expects you to know everything. also it's basic Not Invented Here Google crap. idk. tastes bad.

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      And it's not actually a safe language, you can cause data races that lead to invalid memory accesses with goroutines. Using only "safe" code. And yet its C interop is so hideously bad that you *still* can't do memory management sanely with it. Even with unsafe code.

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          I wrote one project in it, and ran into a runtime bug that had been open in their tracker for months. Took me 2 afternoons to debug it, and a month of bureaucracy to get the fix merged. I stopped using it, but still ended up finding and fixing another runtime bug years later...

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