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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      What you're calling "going trans" is transitioning, which is something that not every trans person does, and involves a bunch of different things that not everyone does the same way. The thing is that transition is the *medically accepted* treatment for GD.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      This becomes a harm issue when your argument involves restricting the ability of trans people to receive treatment for their condition, which includes denying trans minors access to puberty blockers. So yes, if that's your line of thinking, I have a problem with it.

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    3. Norman Yarvin‏ @NYarvin 26 May 2020
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      You don't think anyone's ever been harmed by taking puberty blockers?

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      I think far more people have been immensely helped than harmed by taking puberty blockers, which is how we decide what medical procedures are worth doing.

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    5. Norman Yarvin‏ @NYarvin 26 May 2020
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      Uh, there's a hell of a lot more than that that goes into deciding what medical procedures are worth doing. Even over something like cardiac bypass surgery, there's plenty of political back and forth. Medicine is not a hard science, and psychiatry is especially soft.

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      Medicine is not a hard science, but the people I'm going to block aren't the people doing science, they're people spewing hateful bullshit about puberty blockers being child abuse (while denying trans people's existence at the same time) under the cover of science.

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    7. Norman Yarvin‏ @NYarvin 26 May 2020
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      Well, it kind of seems like child abuse to me too to let a flighty eleven-year-old decide what sex they're going to be, and to prescribe drugs that likely will damage their chance of ever reproducing. Have you actually validated any of the science here yourself?

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      Well, it kind of seems like child abuse to me forcing an eleven-year-old go through permanent irreversible changes to their body that will forever traumatize them, when that can be avoided. Have you actually met a trans person? Especially one who knew before puberty?

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    9. Norman Yarvin‏ @NYarvin 26 May 2020
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      That I know of, only online, and they weren't particularly impressive. But I thought you were relying on science here, not anecdotes. Anyway, "forcing" isn't a great word for what comes naturally without external force being applied.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      Harm by inaction is not more excusable than harm by action, especially not when the argument here is explicitly about *restricting access to action against the will of the affected person*. That's just as bad as harm by action.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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      I'm relying on science, but "letting a flighty eleven-year-old decide what sex" is not a scientific argument, and to that argument I'm asking you if you know any trans people who had to go through that stuff in that situation, which it seems you don't.

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        2. Norman Yarvin‏ @NYarvin 26 May 2020
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          It's an instance of what has sometimes happened. If you want to object to it as atypical, fair enough, though I might ask for evidence of that. Anyway, I answered your uncomfortable question, so how about if you answer mine: have you validated any of the science here?

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 May 2020
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          Yes, and every single article I can find states that puberty blockers have no permanent effect on fertility. *HRT* does, which is why you use puberty blockers until the person has had plenty of time to evaluate whether they want to transition or not. Got evidence to the contrary?

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