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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 May 2020
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      Another codec tip: if you're encoding with opus, especially with libopus, at low-mid bitrates (96k or so, the default), use --no-phase-inv (apply_phase_inv=0 in ffmpeg libopusenc).

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 May 2020
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      This is an encoding feature which fakes stereo width by putting both channels out of phase for certain bands. Saves some bits, sounds fine... ... until you downmix to mono. Then we're back in crappy MP3 land, as entire frequency bands appear and disappear randomly.

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    3. Adam [he/him]‏ @adammw 25 May 2020
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      IIUC from what you're saying, the feature itself isn't bad per-se, it's just all decoders that downmix to mono don't do it correctly so it's easier to turn it off? Is it only a problem with a mono source going to stereo and back again, or can come up in other places?

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 May 2020
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      Take a stereo song, downmix it to mono, it sound good. Take the song, encode it to Opus, decode it in stereo, downmix it to mono, it sounds bad. The Opus guys say you're supposed to let the Opus decoder do the downmixing for you to avoid this problem, but that's not practical.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 May 2020
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      So the feature is bad because it breaks a property of the audio called mono compatibility. And saying the decoder can fix it if you ask it to is not good, because you can't know ahead of time that the audio will be downmixed later in most practical use cases.

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        2. Adam [he/him]‏ @adammw 25 May 2020
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          Fair enough. I'm curious what professional stereo mixes do differently to ensure compatibility with mono that the algorithm doesn't? Does it change the signal average?

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          The thing is a stereo mix is *consistent* in its mono compatibility. Some instruments will be louder or quieter in the mono downmix, but it's always the same. Good mixes will engineer with this in mind to keep things sounding good and balanced in mono.

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