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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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      Hector Martin Retweeted Paul B Mahol

      ffmpeg developer: "Using <extremely common use case> is invalid to prove anything." Why do I even waste my time on this?https://twitter.com/BMahol/status/1255867904475750401 …

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      Paul B Mahol @BMahol
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      Using cascaded transcoding is invalid to prove anything.
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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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      If I can hear artifacts in a single encode, it's all in my head and I'm a crazy audiophile loonie (and so is everyone else complaining). If I do a subtraction test, that's invalid for psychoacoustic codecs. If I do repeated transcodes, that doesn't prove anything. I'm out.

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    3. Alex Markley‏ @AlexMarkley 30 Apr 2020
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      Replying to @marcan42

      I wonder if a randomized comparison test could be used to quantify psychoacoustic loss? Basically, at a given bitrate, what percentage of human listeners can correctly identify the compressed vs. uncompressed sample side by side?

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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      Yes, this is how codec tests are done, but 1) I'm not going to recruit a team of volunteer testers just to prove this to the ffmpeg devs, and 2) it only works to determine transparency thresholds. Comparisons between encoders at non-transparent bitrates are always subjective.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          The latter is important because *how audible/annoying/disagreeable* your artifacts are is a huge part of being a good psychoacoustic encoder. Opus is notoriously good here, for example.

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        3. Alex Markley‏ @AlexMarkley 30 Apr 2020
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          Any those are just a few thoughts. Having spent a lot of time with the libav* APIs, I’m not sure I want to wrestle with that code any more than I have to, let alone go to the mat with the minds that conceived it.

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        2. Alex Markley‏ @AlexMarkley 30 Apr 2020
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          I would think you could set up a small scale test on eg. Mechanical Turk and get data quickly? It wouldn’t be subjective if you can prove that the transparency threshold occurs at a higher bitrate (for a statistically significant number of listeners) in the ffmpeg implementation.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          TBH, given that I was able to easily tell the presence or absence of one round of ffmpeg-aac at 320kbps (on an already transcoded input, but that's irrelevant), which is what started all of this this week, I don't think it *has* a transparency threshold.

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