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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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      Hector Martin Retweeted Paul B Mahol

      ffmpeg developer: "Using <extremely common use case> is invalid to prove anything." Why do I even waste my time on this?https://twitter.com/BMahol/status/1255867904475750401 …

      Hector Martin added,

      Paul B Mahol @BMahol
      Replying to @marcan42 @FFmpeg
      Using cascaded transcoding is invalid to prove anything.
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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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      If I can hear artifacts in a single encode, it's all in my head and I'm a crazy audiophile loonie (and so is everyone else complaining). If I do a subtraction test, that's invalid for psychoacoustic codecs. If I do repeated transcodes, that doesn't prove anything. I'm out.

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        1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          Hector Martin Retweeted Hector Martin

          Just to be clear, he's referencing this thread where I provided all the info requested with a testcase (but he replied to the wrong thread).https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1255778661942231040?s=19 …

          Hector Martin added,

          Hector Martin @marcan42
          This is what happens when you transcode the same audio file 4 times with @ffmpeg AAC, vs. libfdk_aac, at 128kbps (the docs say it's better than libfdk_aac at that bitrate): https://mrcn.st/t/orig_ffmpeg_fdk_4x.wav … looping {1 bar lossless - 1 bar ffmpeg - 1 bar fdk}
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        2. ᴊᴀᴍᴇꜱ ᴊᴜꜱᴛ ᴊᴀᴍᴇꜱ‏ @purpleidea 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42

          The two replies from the ffmpeg account in that thread seemed reasonable. Maybe supply the info and see if they take it seriously?

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @purpleidea

          I did, see my previous tweets. That reply from an ffmpeg developer is referencing those (but he replied to the wrong thread).

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        2. Pope of Otterdom‏ @Phredreeke 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42

          Makes me wonder if it'd be possible to have some kind of metadata that aligns the block positions as to match the source file 🤔

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @Phredreeke

          It's the same source file, with the same alignment. It still completely murders the audio after just 4 generations at 128k.

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        2. Richard Whittaker‏ @mhlkong 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42

          Can you modify the code to remove the defect, or is that too much work? Being able to A/B comparison it would probably be more clear.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @mhlkong

          I'm not an audio codec dev and I know nothing about AAC; it would take quite a while to get up to speed in that field to be able to contribute.

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        2. Alex Markley‏ @AlexMarkley 30 Apr 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42

          I wonder if a randomized comparison test could be used to quantify psychoacoustic loss? Basically, at a given bitrate, what percentage of human listeners can correctly identify the compressed vs. uncompressed sample side by side?

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        3. Alex Markley‏ @AlexMarkley 30 Apr 2020
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          And then, presumably, at the same bitrate, does a competing implementation have a better or worse result on the same test?

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