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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. jm‏ @jcelerie 10 Apr 2020
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      The codec commonly used in .mov, Quick Time Animation, encoded all frames independently which allows for instant scrubbing. But modern codecs such as HAP still allow to that on our modern computers... except they allow it in 4K+ resolutions. Also, thanks for ripcord :D

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    2. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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      yeah, the video on the left is an MP4 re-encoding of the video on the right. the video on the right, in the .mov container, is Sorenson video. which is easier to scrub through. but the point of the comparison was software in 2020 vs 2002. which includes the codec. so that's 1/2

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    3. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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      why I re-encoded it. but it's not an excuse for the modern software. there's so much computing power in this machine. it could easily make scrubbing responsive if it wanted to. (and some software can.) the people who made it just don't care enough.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      It's not possible to make scrubbing universally responsive in h.264 except post facto by caching the hell out of everything. Keyframe intervals can be arbitrarily long and smooth scrubbing requires being able to decode one whole GOP per screen frame.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      At a typical GOP interval of 30, you need 30 times the CPU power required to decode a video normally for smooth scrubbing to arbitrary frames. GOPs can be even larger than that.

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    6. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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      the computer on the left is 500 times more powerful just in CPU than the computer on the right

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      And h.264 is probably over 20 times more complex to decode than the older codec. Times 30 you're at 600. And nobody is putting exact seek into browser players because it's not going to work for HD video which multiplies the CPU usage again.

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    8. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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      i don't understand what the times 30 is here

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      h.264 frames can depend on an infinite number of frames before them. A more common setting is 30. That means decoding frame 30 requires decoding frames 1-29 too. So you need 30 times the CPU power to decode any *random* arbitrary frame in the time it normally takes to decode one.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      Try encoding your video on the left with GOP size 1 and I bet it'll seek as smoothly as the video on the right.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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      (It will also be much larger, but still smaller than the video on the right since h.264 is still going to be a better codec even in intra only mode)

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        2. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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          ffmpeg.exe -i welcome.mp4 -vcodec libx264 -g 1 welcome_gop1.mp4 it seeks fast now, but now it's twice the size of the original Sorenson video (which I deleted off of the host, so I just re-encoded the already re-encoded mp4, whatever)

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 Apr 2020
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          Change the CRF.

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        2. cancel/tumult‏ @tumult 10 Apr 2020
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          ok but here's a non-defective video player doing it just fine despite you saying it's impossible (same video as on the left in my original) this is running on 8 year old hardware on mac os 10.12pic.twitter.com/GApgFA82Oe

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        3. john‏ @let_mut_john 10 Apr 2020
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          No idea what Quicktime is doing here, but I’d be impressed if it worked on typical HD content. Still, I don’t get what the point is necessarily. Even if h264 scrubbing could be “fixed,” it’s always going to be horridly inefficient. There’s better encodings for that...

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