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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Charles Guillemet‏ @P3b7_ 12 Mar 2020
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      It's not (probably). There are multiple articles showing that it costs a few dollars and require a few minutes to dump a general purpose MCU. The solution is more to try to open Secure chips, rather than using broken ones...

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Mar 2020
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      You have also historically been able to dump some secure MCUs with the same equipment. The problem is that NDAs stop those chips from being more widely audited, so we don't *know* if they really are more secure. In theory they are, but we don't have enough evidence.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Mar 2020
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      And yet nobody found ROCA. Even though that code stank. Audits are largely useless, because they often just verify that you do what you say you do, not that you're actually secure. "Yes, we have these mitigations (which stop one variant of an attack but not another)".

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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      If they can't audit software properly I'm not going to assume they can audit hardware properly.

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    7. Charles Guillemet‏ @P3b7_ 13 Mar 2020
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      It sounds like a bad faith debate... Roca is concerning, but: - Even if CC are not perfect, they are just the best framework to ensure high level of security - CC labs are clearly better auditing security than any other org - Roca remains complex, took several years of research

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    8. Charles Guillemet‏ @P3b7_ 13 Mar 2020
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      At the end, the vendor patched it. Impacted products were known since they went through certification, devices on the field have been recalled and replaced...

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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      ROCA took several years of research because the source code was closed and unauditable to third parties. There are plenty of cryptographers who would've raised an eyebrow at that code, and RSA keygen is one of the first things you look at for problems.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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      ROCA was so obvious once the finger was pointed at the problem area that I had friends who reverse engineered it through key analysis and guessed at what the bad code was doing, before the official research paper was published.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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      This is an endemic problem in parts of the industry, where half-competent people are the ones doing the audits, while access is denied to those who could actually find problems quicker (but might not work for a big auditing firm).

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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          Big auditing firms excel at filing a lot of paperwork and certifying a lot of PowerPoint bullet points. They do not excel at finding actual problems. They might find some, but not nearly as many as would be found if the product were auditable at large.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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          I have experienced this problem myself, when I was brought in to do a black-box audit for a vendor, and immediately identified a risk area, requested access to do a white-box audit, and was denied (and there was insufficient time to get that access myself via attacks).

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        2. Charles Guillemet‏ @P3b7_ 13 Mar 2020
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          Ok I got your point and I don't disagree. I just want to insist on the fact that the solution is more to try to open Secure chips, rather than using broken ones... Telling the opposite is a big fallacy, and I hope it's just a troll

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Mar 2020
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          Oh, I absolutely would *love* to have open secure ICs. But since that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon, you're left with a choice, and I'm starting to wonder if the open alternative might actually be better given that we can't have both.

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