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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      According to their website, they're focusing on USB first (I guess the old 31kbit UART transport is deprecated, unsurprisingly), and a new mapping for UMP over USB(-audio?) needs to be written before that works. So no automatic backwards compat with MIDI1 byte streams.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      One thing they did do is make the UMP format self-delimiting. The message type alone determines message length, and they arbitrarily pre-assigned some lengths to all the unused message types. So transports should be able to deliver UMP messages with future expansions cleanly.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      OTOH it is *not* robust at the 32bit word level, so the underlying transport has to guarantee that. If you drop or corrupt a word expect things to explode.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      (MIDI1 was slightly better at this with the start/continue markers, but in practice this was useless anyway because as soon as you drop any data you get stuck notes so you're screwed anyway)

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      Oh yeah, another fix: 7-bit sysex messages are still atomic (except for realtime messages) to preserve MIDI 1.0 compat, but the new 8-bit sysex messages *are* interleavable with other messages and even up to 256 sysex messages may be interleaved together in streams.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      I'm pretty sure you can implement it in a firmware update for most devices. Whether manufacturers will bother with legacy devices is a bigger question. Nothing here needs new silicon.

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    8. Dr. 𝐋є𝓌Ɨş вคย𝐦𝓢╦Δ𝕣𝓴  🤖 🌮 👾‏ @lewisb42 25 Feb 2020
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      Replying to @marcan42 @Yes_I_Know_IT

      Odds my mid-90s synth gets updated: 0%

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    9. Sylvain Leroux / Yes, I Know IT !‏ @Yes_I_Know_IT 25 Feb 2020
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      We could reasonably bet, as long as manufacturers will still make the effort of installing DIN plugs into MIDI devices, legacy MIDI will continue to be supported. In the pro world I'm not too afraid for now. In the consumer/soho range of devices, that will be another story 🙄

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    10. Sylvain Leroux / Yes, I Know IT !‏ @Yes_I_Know_IT 25 Feb 2020
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      Replying to @Yes_I_Know_IT @lewisb42 @marcan42

      Hector mentionned a compatibility layer in this thread. So even if your device is using USB transport, there is still hope 😉

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Feb 2020
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      Replying to @Yes_I_Know_IT @lewisb42

      I get the feeling DIN links are going away and being replaced by USB as the default standard.

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        2. Sylvain Leroux / Yes, I Know IT !‏ @Yes_I_Know_IT 25 Feb 2020
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          Replying to @marcan42 @lewisb42

          For devices designed to be connected to a computer, definitely. For studio gears that you may daisy chain, we still have DIN links. At least, this is what I see in the few studios around here. But I wouldn't claim this is representative of a trend, nor of the state of the art.

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        3. Sylvain Leroux / Yes, I Know IT !‏ @Yes_I_Know_IT 25 Feb 2020
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          Replying to @Yes_I_Know_IT @marcan42 @lewisb42

          For full disclosure, I'm not an audio engineer, even less a MIDI expert. I'm just an (enlightened?) enthusiast lucky enough to hanging around on pro studios once in a while. Take my comments with a (huge) grain of salt!

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