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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      Since we're talking about Google being less than nice towards its workers, here's a fun little story from my days there. There were two things that I really didn't like about Google at the time: The Google+ saga (realnames et al), and the IP ownership policy.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      Like many Googlers, I had projects I worked on in my spare time. Some of those I carried over from before joining. I also upstream random open source contributions. Google, like most tech companies, tries to appropriate any and all rights to everything you do in your spare time.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      This is, of course, completely ridiculous, but has become standard practice. Google's policy is based on CA Labor Code § 2870, which gives them ownership over anything that "relates to Google's business". SInce Google does everything, they get to claim everything.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      Since understandably a lot of people aren't happy having to slap a "copyright Google" on everything and anything they do after joining the company, Google has an IARC process that lets you reclaim your own rights (that this is necessary is ridiculous).https://opensource.google/docs/iarc/ 

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      When I joined, I submitted two projects that I was actively working on at the time, largely just maintaining: AsbestOS (yes, those were the PS3 Linux days) and usbmuxd (iPhone USB comms daemon, you probably have it if you have Ubuntu!).

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      A long wait later, AsbestOS was approved with a "we don't want to have anything to do with this project" disclaimer. usbmuxd was rejected without an explanation. My follow-up email asking for clarification was ignored. I ended up having to hand over maintainership of usbmuxd.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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      At that point I concluded that the IARC process was broken. It seemed there was no real recourse if you get rejected, and no explanation. So I just resolved to quietly work on whatever I want, which seems to be what most Googlers do anyway.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          Although Google may *legally* be able to claim practically anything you do under some "we have a related product" technicality, in *practice* their lawyers aren't going to go after you for pet projects or random commits. It's not safe, but it's *probably* okay.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          Google also has a process for OSS patching (https://opensource.google/docs/patching/ ), which I never tried after the IARC experience. This workflow has changed a *lot*; it was nowhere near as permissive during my time there as it is now. It was way too much friction for random one-off commits.

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        4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          It seems Google largely catered to employees that contribute to specific projects repeatedly, and not people like me who just send random one-off patches. I'm good at fixing problems in unknown code, I don't go work on a single codebase for long periods of time.

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        5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          Just contributing behind the scenes (like many Googlers) was all well and good, until the subject came up in an internal mailing list and I made the mistake of mentioning a Pulseaudio commit as an example of the kind of thing too trivial to bother going through the Process.

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        6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          This is the 9-line patch: https://github.com/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/4e5051db7297d8171d148ef7d15c2e06ebeff0ce … This was something I debugged for a few hours, then fixed at 2AM. At home. I just wanted to send it and forget about it. No way I was going to spend more of my time getting a release for a 9-line patch to a GPL/LGPL codebase.

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        7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          I guess they've realized this was a dumb policy, because under the current rules what I did was totally fine. Unfortunately, at the time, instead, what I got was a flamewar with @cdibona where he accused me of putting both Google and Pulseaudio in jeopardy. For a 9-line bugfix.

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        8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          This proceeded with a bit of back and forth where I mentioned my bad experience with IARC. DiBona was having none of it, so instead he opted to *ban me from the IARC & open sourcing processes*. I was told to "go through employment legal" for any further issues.

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        9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          It was at this point that I pulled up my Google employee contract, and looked *very* carefully at the IP ownership clause. As it turns out, I had missed a little detail. It was *obviously* modeled after CA labor code (even though I was in Ireland), but there was a difference.

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        10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          CA labor code says, in pseudolegalese: You own THING you do on your own time without company equipment IF NOT ( THING relates to the company's business OR THING results from work you did for the company )

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        11. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          Since Google's business is basically everything technology, you do not own anything in practice. E.g. I was told that since Android has an audio server too, that the Pulseaudio patch was in scope and owned by Google.

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        12. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          However, my contract was worded differently: You own THING you do on your own time without company equipment IF ( NOT THING relates to the company's business OR NOT THING results from work you did for the company )

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        13. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          It is evident Google would do better to hire computer science graduates for lawyers, because whoever wrote that clearly didn't understand boolean logic and De Morgan's laws. This is wrong: ¬(𝑃 ∨ 𝑄) ⇎ (¬𝑃) ∨ (¬𝑄) The correct equivalence is: ¬(𝑃 ∨ 𝑄) ⇔ (¬𝑃) ∧ (¬𝑄)

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        14. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          And so, *as long as* whatever I did in my spare time and without using Google resources did not result from work I did for Google, it didn't matter one bit whether it "related to Google's business", which is the loophole they use to own everything you do.

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        15. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          And so I resolved to give zero shits from that point on about their IP ownership policies, and did whatever I wanted in my spare time. If you work for Google (Ireland especially) you should check your employment contract carefully. You might be able to do the same.

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        16. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 18 Dec 2019
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          I hope Google's employees are able to unionize and this is one of the changes they should demand. No company should be able to own things you do in your spare time, especially if they don't relate at all to your job description (regardless of whether they do to someone else's).

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