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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (2)..let me know. Also the original paper you cite https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2015.0624 … has a follow-up at https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspa.2016.0828 … There is a project website at https://www.southampton.ac.uk/engineering/research/projects/are-some-people-suffering.page … There’s more...

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    2. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (3) A video showing how smart phones & tablet computers can detect ultrasound in air is at https://youtu.be/RhFHCrcDtvM  (use in conjunction with Appendix A of the paper you first found). I set up an Instagram hashtag using the hashtag #UltrasoundInAir. to which folk upload spectra

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    3. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      Timothy Leighton Retweeted University of Southampton News

      (4) Just been told about this https://twitter.com/uosmedia/status/1167412086839947265?s=21 … Have not read it myself

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      University of Southampton News @UoSMedia
      🔊 "When sound becomes hostile"... @Prof_Leighton of @UoSEngineering talks to @CNNStyle about cities using high frequency sounds as a deterrent to unruly behavior. Read what he had to say to @jacoprisco here 🔽 https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/hostile-sound-design-scn/ …
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    4. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (5) Ok I just read it. H sentences quoted from me were not, I am certain, following on from one another in the way it has been edited. So when I talk about permanent or temporary hearing loss, that it when I am talking about very high levels indeed at frequencies an individual..

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    5. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (6) ..hear(which may be above 20 kHz if their hearing can achieve that). It is talking abut extreme levels you would not encounter in a public space so don’t be unduly alarmed. They levels you encounter will bring annoyance, anxiety, headaches (possibly as result of tensing...

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    6. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (7)...neck muscles etc). Where I said if you can hear an ultrasonic frequency it will adversely affect you, that was in context of there being a narrowing window in amplitude as you do to higher frequencies, whereby the amplitude that is annoying is only a little louder than...

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    7. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 6 Sep 2019
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      (8)..the amplitude at which you can just hear it (the amplitude difference between the two thresholds is much larger at lower frequencies). So all in all I would communicate a more contextualized message than CNN, with it’s limited space, edited up for me.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 6 Sep 2019
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      Thanks for the info! FWIW, the ones I'm talking about here are sold as rat deterrents, and claim to put out 19kHz at 136dB. They all all over Tokyo. I wrote a rather enthusiastic thread about them recently.https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1162697281474142208?s=19 …

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      To all the senile assholes who think scaring off cats by blasting 19kHz at ear-damage levels all over shops in Japan is a good idea: I know you can't hear it, but I can and IT FUCKING HURTS. FOR LIKE HALF AN HOUR AFTER I PASS. STOP IT. pic.twitter.com/Tyd7HHJgg3
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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 6 Sep 2019
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      I can definitely hear the sound and it causes me physical distress (though not debilitating, it's not harmless either); I've also heard many stories of people being affected but not realizing that the cause is a sound. I'm worried about it actually causing lasting hearing damage.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 6 Sep 2019
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      It's insidious, because the inability to localize the sound, and not being used to sounds that high, make it difficult to immediately recognize it as such. I've been in places where something felt off but only upon getting close enough to the emitter did I realize what it was.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 6 Sep 2019
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      I'm interested in taking calibrated measurements of this. Do you have any suggestions as to what to use for a calibration standard? I have an omni measurement microphone that should be flat enough, I'm thinking maybe I can calibrate the overall gain against a sound level meter.

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        2. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 7 Sep 2019
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          Calibration is not easy at these frequencies & a calibration traceable to national standards is what you want, but expensive. We at Southampton or Dr Ueda in Japan might do a rough one for you. Don’t trust a standard sound level meter at these frequencies, because....

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        3. Timothy Leighton‏ @Prof_Leighton 7 Sep 2019
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          .. as the paper https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.2015.0624 … says in several places (search for “sound level meter” in it) a sound level meter that purports to detect to 20 kHz & higher can pass acceptance standards for sale but be as insensitive as a brick at these frequencies.

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