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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Aug 2019
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    To wrap up the QLC saga: Crucial P1 SSDs (QLC) peaking at >50% IO usage, >1s long tail latencies, cluster fell over under load, HDDs faster (!) Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSDs (TLC) peaking at ~3% IO usage, <10ms long tail latencies, cluster *very* happy. Stay away from QLC.

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      1. Christian Svensson‏ @blueCmd 29 Aug 2019
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        Replying to @marcan42

        Been considering QLC but have been too sceptical to give them a try. Seems like I doged a bullet. Thanks for the PSA!

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      2. Jan Boon‏ @kaetemi 29 Aug 2019
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        Replying to @marcan42

        Have a QLC drive here as well (Samsung QVO), it warms up quickly at full load, and throttles it's speed down sharply once it reaches a specific temperature. QLC drives do not seem suitable for constant load, more applicable to burst loads.

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      3. Andrew‏ @agret 29 Aug 2019
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        Most M.2 drives warm up very quickly, need to buy a heatsink for them

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      2. Scriptmonkey_‏ @scriptmonkey_ 29 Aug 2019
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        Replying to @marcan42

        "ExplainingComputers" on youtube looked a little into this. Samsung QLC drives appear to use SLC cache of around 36GB, so up until 36GB performance was exactly the same as TLC (rather simplistic test, just transferring files), throughput then dropped to 70mb/s on QLC

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Aug 2019
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        The biggest problem with the Crucials isn't just performance dropping, it's that it drops to pathologic levels and long-tail latencies are absolutely ridicuous (>1 second? for an SSD?). The whole drive just stutters. Maybe Samsung QLC drives are better?

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      2. Alin‏ @Logomorph 29 Aug 2019
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        Replying to @marcan42

        Cool story. I'll tell that to my qlc drive that's been doing just fine since I got it. Not all people have the same use cases.

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Aug 2019
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        If you have a read-mostly workload then it's probably fine. If you ever wind up having to do sustained writes and relying on performance not being terribad, you'll regret using QLC. At least the crucial ones fall over *badly*, not just "really slow" but pathologically slow.

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      1. bread‏ @brreeaad 29 Aug 2019
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        In the market for an SSD right now, so this seems useful. Will keep an eye out.

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      2. Marcus Müller‏ @dEnergy_dTime 29 Aug 2019
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        Got a detailed writeup on your findings somewhere? This *really* much sounds like a bad controller design problem (not itself caused by the number of bits per cell, but by the way they are reconstructed on reading, or maybe how they are written), and that'd be where suppliers 1/2

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 29 Aug 2019
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        Replying to @dEnergy_dTime @field_hamster

        Firmware is definitely part of the problem (especially the 1 second latencies), but QLC flash having terrible performance (hidden by a TLC/MLC buffer that fills up quickly) is a thing.

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