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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      This is how standards work. The standard defines the maximum capabilities, which not all devices need to implement. The standard *may* define some minimum capabilities for *certain* devices, like USB 2.0 requires hubs and hosts to support 480mbps (but not devices).

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    2. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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      I feel like the complaint is primarily about hosts, and the perception that a company could take a computer equipped with a 3.1 chipset and with zero modifications slap a 3.2 sticker on it, even though it could never achieve more than the 3.1 it was allotted.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      Is anyone actually doing that? I've looked at the 3.2 spec and I can't find a hard requirement for hosts, though it *does* say that *hubs* have to support all speeds. USB 2.0 *did* require hosts to support 480mbps. This could be an oversight in the spec.

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    4. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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      I honestly have no idea! But apparently, at the least, some people think they are, or could. At least, that was the sense that I got from the Ars article.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      The author of the article just had a back-and-forth with me on twitter but he didn't produce any examples of *hosts*, just of devices, so I dunno...

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    6. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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      Fair enough; I don’t even know. Juuuuust seems like an unnecessarily confusing mess, probably moreso than other versioned specs. But I don’t really know the realities of the marketplace. So *shrug*.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      Honestly I think part of the problem is just that USB is the most widespread, bottom-of-the-barrel, cheapest-crap-you-can-imagine devices standard. So of course it also gets the most bullshit marketing.

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    8. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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      Oh yeah, that’s a major contributor. But re-branding old specs as <NewSpec Gen N-1> is… weird and silly, and adds to the confusion. Did they *update* the 3.1 spec when they renamed it?

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      But it's not really re-branded, is it? Nothing is getting renamed, it's just that there is a new version that *adds* speeds (and keeps the old ones). Like USB 2.0 kept low speed and full speed from 1.1.

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    10. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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      I feel like it’s very specifically that they’re calling them “3.2 Gen 1”. They’re keeping the same marketing names, but “absorbing” the previous specs. It’s just a weird way to phrase it; feels like 3.0 should just be “USB3 Gen 1” and 3.1 capabilities “USB3 Gen 2”.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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      But this is why the marketing names say "SuperSpeed", "SuperSpeed 10Gbps", "SuperSpeed 20Gbps", and don't mention USB3 or 3.anything. All the Gen stuff just has to do with internal technical names.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 27 Feb 2019
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          I mean USB 2.0 "absorbed" low speed and full speed from 1.1 too and nobody complained too loudly.

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        3. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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          Right you are. It all seems silly, and a mess of marketing, common parlance, and technical spec all getting muddled.

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        1. Matt "Mr. Asmus" Rasmussen‏ @mrasmus 27 Feb 2019
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          Well, yes and no. I know very few people who actually call shit by the marketing names, and I do see devices marketed by their spec #’s.

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