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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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      Thunderclap TL;DR: someone finally tried on PCs (over Thunderbolt) what we did on the PS4 (over PCIe) years ago. As I said at the time, IOMMUs are useless if the drivers are not written assuming the device is evil. *Nobody* writes PCIe drivers assuming the device is evil.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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      You *must* allocate device memory in page-size chunks. You *must never* stick driver-private data structures into device-mapped buffers. You *must assume* that any device-mapped buffers contain evil data and can change at any time (TOCTTOU). Nobody does any of this. Nobody.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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          IOMMUs are a cute mitigation that changes the attack approach from "just read/write all physical memory" to "just change a pointer in some driver DMA data structure to let you read/write all physical memory". Yes, it's slightly harder. Only slightly.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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          I'm going to go ahead and say that GPU drivers will never get this right. Those things are such massive hairballs that if you enable eGPU support over an external interface, you have to assume you're immediately pwnable.

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        4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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          So whitelist Thunderbolt devices to... well, zero devices, to start with. Then start auditing and rewriting drivers and *only* whitelist for TB access those where all of the aforementioned concerns have been considered, possibly in a complete rewrite. It won't be easy.

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        5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Feb 2019
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          You'll still have bugs, but, like, the current state of things is that nobody has even *considered* any of this. Right now it's not bugs, evil-device security is literally outside the scope of basically every PCIe driver right now.

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        1. Alexander Tarasikov‏ @astarasikov 26 Feb 2019
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          You *must not* trust ring buffer indices in shared memory

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        1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 27 Feb 2019
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          Couldn't the kernel enforce most of this in the driver architecture?

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