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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      The *point* of putting confidential information in the URL is to make it portable. So you can paste the URL into another app and it'll work. Yes, it's a tradeoff. But I don't expect the browser to deliberately leak them as non-discoverable xattrs on files.

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    2. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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      RFC 3986 section 7.5: "URI producers should not provide a URI that contains a username or password that is intended to be secret. URIs are frequently displayed by browsers, stored in clear text bookmarks, and logged by user agent history and intermediary applications (proxies)."

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    3. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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      RFC 3986 s 7.5 contnd: "A password appearing within the userinfo component is deprecated and should be considered an error (or simply ignored) except in those rare cases where the 'password' parameter is intended to be public."

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    4. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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      So as per the RFCs, if you put a password in a URL, it's because you intend it to be public. So curl's behavior is fine. (Curl has command line arguments for specifying non-public usernames and passwords.)

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      I'm sorry, when did we go from "logged in your browser history" to "public"? Your argument is bullshit. You're saying that just because a particular thing has some (known) security caveats it's fine to gratuitously introduce more undiscoverable ones to bite people in the ass.

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    6. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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      Sorry, but ultimately it comes down to this: curl is following the RFCs, and you are not.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      Sometimes the RFCs are bullshit. If people followed the RFCs to the letter anyone could DoS any server, because they require vulnerable implementations of things like TCP. This is one of those times.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      There is a huge gap between "I'm deliberately putting a password in URIs so I can paste them in a command line in the privacy of my home" to "hey browser please attach my password invisibly to every file I download so I can unknowingly hand it to someone in a USB stick"

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      "The RFCs say I can get away with this" doesn't mean that doing something isn't stupid. The RFCs do not aim to forbid all stupid behavior.

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    10. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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      Except in this case, the RFCs say you shouldn't do the stupid thing, but you're insisting on the right to do the stupid thing because it's convenient, and then have software take special steps to protect you.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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      I'm insisting in software *not* taking dumb steps like silently shoving URIs into xattrs for no reason. This has been a thing for *years* and I only just found out. This is broken. It's not just about userdata passwords. Nobody expects download URIs to tag along files!

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        2. mathew‏ @mathew 26 Dec 2018
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          It's not for no reason. It's very useful to know where a file came from and record the URL along with the file download. Safari does it, DEVONthink Pro does it, Evernote does it, etc. Which is exactly why the RFCs say not to put secret info in URLs.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 26 Dec 2018
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          Please enumerate those useful reasons. Especially reasons to attach the URI *to the file*, not just metadata in a browser database somewhere.

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