Yes, but if that hadn't happened, and instead it was quietly discussed behind closed doors, would look exactly like what we have here, no? Qualified, intelligent well-connected people who work in threat intelligence could spin a plausible delusion, no?
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Replying to @taviso @matthew_d_green and
Or it is a case of the journalists connecting their dots in the wrong way. E.g.: there were hardware backdoor(s) found on mainboards & discussed at that meeting, maybe technically different than described, and the timing of Apple and Amazon activities was a spurious correlation.
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Replying to @frank_rieger @taviso and
This isn’t some quick speculative Ars Technica piece. Getting this wrong after the denials potentially means Bloomberg’s ass on a platter. I think they asked their sources “are you sure about this”.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @frank_rieger and
In what way exactly is Bloomberg’s ass on the platter? All their sources are anonymous… at worst they get sued by SuperMicro for making their stock tank, assuming they survive long enough to do so. They settle out of court and continue as always.
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Replying to @cynicalsecurity @frank_rieger and
SuperMicro can claim hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. Lawyers don’t let you gamble with that.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @frank_rieger and
And you are certain Bloomberg never ever wrote an article which turned out to be dramatically wrong in other fields and survived to tell the story?
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Replying to @cynicalsecurity @frank_rieger and
I just think that *in this particular case* they confirmed with their sources very carefully before they published these words.pic.twitter.com/ovyhNyFoIA
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @cynicalsecurity and
This entire saga is dissonant. Bloomberg faking something this big doesn't add up, and all the companies vehemently denying it if true doesn't add up. It's a mess. I have a personal source pushing towards the "fake" side, but it's not definitive.
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Replying to @marcan42 @matthew_d_green and
It's even possible that the answer lies somewhere down the middle. Maybe the implant is real, but the scope much smaller than what Bloomberg claims, and they don't have enough evidence for the larger scope but published it anyway for the clickbait.
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Replying to @marcan42 @matthew_d_green and
Perhaps they had the smaller scope, i.e. “some SuperMicros were modified by the PLA just like the NSA modified Ciscos” and added to it the “Apple dumps SuperMicro in 2015” making it “all SuperMicro servers from supplier X are backdoored”. A perfectly reasonable journalistic move
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Yeah, and the photos are almost certainly staged (but just about barely plausible) from only textual descriptions. Honestly it's sounding like Bloomberg has *something* but they spun it out of control.
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Replying to @marcan42 @cynicalsecurity and
I don’t know that Bloomberg every really talked about scope. I assumed it was small and fairly targeted already. The article mentions *multiple* chips though.
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Replying to @matthew_d_green @cynicalsecurity and
Yeah, but you know well how badly things can get mangled through the journalism telephone game, right? Maybe the other chips had other targets, or were hypothetical, or someone misremembered.
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