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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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      Looking at the GIF in @BW's story about China putting hardware implants into Supermicro servers, it all looks reasonably realistic as a MITM on the BMC's SPI boot flash. I don't know how real the photo is supposed to be, though.pic.twitter.com/eQxp5RsNG6

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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      The thing is the only reason you'd do this instead of just modifying the flash would be to more easily survive updates, or if the flash is programmed too late in the process to hijack.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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          Also note that the location of the implant is obviously not a normal capacitor/etc, because it's in the middle of an alternate SPI flash footprint. However, that is not a constraint if you're backdooring a system and you know they never populate the alternate footprint.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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          Hector Martin Retweeted IT Creations

          FWIW, here's a high-res photo of the same board. Nothing suspicious on this one.https://twitter.com/IT_Creations/status/1047939818867445760 …

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          We had two of these boards ordered not 20 minutes before your Tweet, and thought perhaps it was you. That would be aside from the fact that, who would go to Twitter to ask or talk about important things like this?? Oh wait… never mind. Here's a close-up of one of the boards. pic.twitter.com/QlOpdfOleK
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        1. Monty‏ @xiphmont 4 Oct 2018
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          Never underestimate fastest/cheapest/easiest. If it's true and they're found out, they'll adjust.

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        1. ISMAS un-candadited‏ @IsmasUnleased 4 Oct 2018
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          Or fake-news USA-china war?

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        2. Daniel Bilar‏ @daniel_bilar 4 Oct 2018
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          Hi Hector, thanks for the details, appreciate? In your opinion, is there a non-invasive programmatic way of testing for the presence of this implant?

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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          Probably, but you'd need a sample to develop a robust test for it, and it *could* employ tricks like turning itself off and being undetectable under certain conditions.

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        2. Brendan Dolan-Gavitt‏ @moyix 4 Oct 2018
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          How does the BMC come into this though – from this it sounds like they were using it to communicate on the network without going through the OS? Could just be journalistic garbling though...pic.twitter.com/gZTu6F4w1U

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Oct 2018
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          The BMC is the easiest part of a server to persistently compromise. It is rarely updated, has network access, often can even hijack the host's network, and has a zillion ways to take over the host OS.

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        2. Znuh‏ @ElZnuh 4 Oct 2018
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          Do the boards really read the flash w/ normal SPI instead of QSPI mode? If it's SPI the bug should have the following signals: GND, Vdd, nCS_in, SCK_in, MISO_in, MISO_out. If board does QSPI the bug might use classic SPI mode to access and modify the flash when bus not driven?

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        3. Znuh‏ @ElZnuh 4 Oct 2018
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          One could probably do w/o nCS. Read requests should have a nice regular pattern. I wonder if having MOSI instead of nCS would be more solid. Siphoning Vdd via clamping diodes from the IOs might also work.

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