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Hector Martin

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Sep 2018
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      It gets worse. This is a no-name TP6911 USB card. It's straight unfiltered PWM. And to get away with using a single-ended supply and no AC coupling caps, the line output "ground" (Ch2) is actually a 48kHz square wave to subtract the 1/2Vcc "DC" bias. @bofh453 @xiphmontpic.twitter.com/bQDbeMc9Zv

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    2. Monty‏ @xiphmont 19 Sep 2018
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      Plenty of cheap cards have gone to doing this, assuming later stages can either handle the ultrasonics, or they'll filter them out. "Can't hear it anyway, lol" Though that's usually high-oversampling sigma-delta cards that have the hash moved way out into RF.

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    3. Monty‏ @xiphmont 19 Sep 2018
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      Oh ick, I was just talking about not filtering, not constantly putting out a squarewave. Maybe it considers it some kind of ultracheap dither.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Sep 2018
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      It's for DC bias. They put out a square wave on the 3.5mm sleeve pin (which isn't connected to USB ground) and then the same 50% square wave on the line channel is silence, lower duty cycle goes negative, higher duty cycle goes positive. No AC coupling caps.

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    5. Monty‏ @xiphmont 19 Sep 2018
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      OH, one of those! Yeah, it's trying to be a cheap-ass class D, and those are generally designed to assume they're driving a coil. The 51nb people use them in their audio daughtercards for the X62 and T70.

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    6. Monty‏ @xiphmont 19 Sep 2018
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      People get into trouble because the X62 has a single mono speaker, but the amp is being driven in stereo, and so most builders connect the speaker to left + and right -. Except the amp is not always driving the same squarewave to both channels.....

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    7. Monty‏ @xiphmont 19 Sep 2018
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      "why is my computer speaker squealing all the time?"

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Sep 2018
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      Ha. The datasheet for this one actually lists using L- as common for both L&R in a 3.5mm application, so I assume it's the same 48 kHz square wave on both. Looks like ~393MHz = 13-bit PWM, which is better than I expected TBH.pic.twitter.com/NkbLmUMJkE

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    9. Monty‏ @xiphmont 20 Sep 2018
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      It's kind of amazing how much you can abuse audio and it's still passable.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Sep 2018
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      Remember that time my FireWire interface went stupid and was zeroing out every other sample? I didn't notice until I tried to play back something I'd recorded on it and 50% of the time it was silence (but other audio mixed in SW worked, as did the level meters). Drove me nuts.

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        2. Monty‏ @xiphmont 20 Sep 2018
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          That definitely would have stumped me for a good long time!

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        3. Manawyrm‏ @Manawyrm 20 Sep 2018
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          I once tried to download and use this audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqrwOoLW4E … The catch: The left channel is a perfect inverse of the right one. After downmixing the file was completly silent. That one took some time to figure out 😂

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