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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      Reading up on the @Puri_sm Librem 5. Nice idea, but it's a damn shame they're using the @FSF RYF certification as a goal and to guide the development process. RYF is total nonsense that encourages *decreasing* user freedom.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      A 100% blob-free, Libre world would be nice. Unfortunately, that is not an achievable goal today. The FSF knows this. The solution they came up with? Make sure the user can't *see* any of the proprietary firmware. As long as they don't see it, nobody will complain. Brilliant.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      So RYF has a "secondary processor exception". Which basically means that as long as proprietary firmware is stored separately from the Free™ part, and you can't touch it, and you're firewalled from it, Everything Is Peachy.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      This is, of course, total crap. A device that respects user freedom is a device that *allows* the user to modify proprietary firmware, that *exposes* exactly what proprietary firmware is there, and that *encourages* reverse engineering to produce a Free version.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      What *I* want is hardware with exactly as much proprietary firmware to make it practical (and no more), where all of it is in /lib/firmware (or equivalent). No secret flash memories. I can mess and reverse engineer it all. This is the exact opposite of what the FSF encourages.

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      Of course, you still want to be firewalled from devices using proprietary firmware wherever possible (in the form of interfaces that are secure, e.g. no free memory read/write from the blob), but that has nothing to do with not allowing the free side to send the blob over.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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      But RYF instead says you must hide and bury any firmware you end up having to have. And so @Puri_sm end up having to do utter nonsense, like using a secondary CPU core to load the DDR4 controller firmware into the hardware, just so they can claim the binary blob is elsewhere.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          They store the blob on write-protected SPI flash (because users must not have the freedom to modify any firmware they do wind up running), and write some code for the secondary CPU just so that the main CPU doesn't get digital cooties from (eeeeeew) touching the DDR4 code.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          Keep in mind this isn't even about the secondary (or main) CPU *running* the firmware. The firmware is always run by an embedded processor in the DDR4 PHY anyway. This is just about having the main CPU never even *see* the firmware. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

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        4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          So it doesn't matter that the DDR4 controller firmware has access to all RAM and obviously can pwn the main CPU at will. As long as you bury it in read-only memory, and make sure it never is accessed by the main CPU, the FSF will give your product their meaningless rubber stamp.

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        5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          What if the firmware is backdoored? Who knows! You're not supposed to touch it from the main CPU, lest you get digital cooties (eeeeeeeew). Just don't think about it. Move on. Everything's Libre™ (except the parts you can't see). It'll be fine.

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        6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          So yeah, screw you, FSF. I want that blob compiled into the main CPU's u-boot, from a freely downloadable blobs repo, where I can do whatever I damn well want with it. Which is the sane engineering approach, and the most user-freedom-respecting thing to do.

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        7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 14 Sep 2018
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          Link to the story from @Puri_sm. The fact that their engineer had to design that horrible nonsense workaround with a straight face and write the blog post to top it all off makes me sad.https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-solving-the-first-fsf-ryf-hurdle/ …

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