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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      Recent problem I had: You have two .wav files. You're playing through an external sound card. 'A' always plays fine. 'B' plays sometimes, and sometimes not, randomly. If you play *both* at once, it makes no difference: you always hear 'A' and sometimes 'B' mixed in.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      You're using 2 channels on the interface (files are stereo). It has a hardware level meter. The level meter always shows activity (in both L/R channels), even when playing 'B', regardless of whether it worked that time or not. When playing both files, mixing is done in software.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      It's not a stereo cancellation issue: you can hear both channels and it doesn't sound like 'A' is suffering from cancellation. It's not a software channel routing issue: you've verified that both files mix into the same two main outputs, every time.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      What is this sorcery? How can one file show up on the level meter consistently but only output sound half of the time, while the other file always works? Hint: 'B' was recorded earlier on the same interface. I already figured it out, but any guesses?

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    5. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 28 Aug 2018
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      the same interface 'A' was recorded on, or the same interface they're being played on?

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      The same interface they're being played on.

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    7. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 28 Aug 2018
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      is there an extremely evil resampler or DAC (or its conversion from PCM to delta-sigma) involved? or is there some sort of extremely evil in-band signaling?

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    8. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 28 Aug 2018
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      my first thought was "maybe if on input something upsampled by inserting 0 every other sample, and on output something's downsampling by dropping every other sample, so it works half the time and is completely silent the other half"

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    9. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 28 Aug 2018
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      which should be too absurd to even contemplate but I dunno, I've seen some extremely bad audio hardware and software

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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      That is *exactly* what happened. Well done! It was some kind of confusion in the interface (a power cycle fixed it) that caused it to drop every second sample and replace it with a 0. The aliasing wasn't entirely obvious due to the audio I was using.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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          I noticed when I turned on spectrogram view for 'B' and saw the mirror image spectrum... which wasn't *completely* implausible given 'B' was chiptune stuff recorded digitally, but bizarre... then I zoomed in to the PCM and saw every other sample was 0.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Aug 2018
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          It wasn't strictly speaking up/downsampling since everything involved was nominally 48kHz (so I was getting aliased 24kHz audio), but same effect.

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        1. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 28 Aug 2018
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          I'm not sure if I should be happy to have gotten it right or mad

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