I actually don't know how SuperSpeed negotiation works, looking it up now.
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Replying to @marcan42 @altsegcat
Ugh, this is worse than USB 2.0. I don't know what I expected. So there's some low-frequency signaling they use to negotiate, but it's completely silly (and they didn't even future-proof it so they had to tack on another modulation scheme to advertise SuperSpeedPlus).
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Replying to @marcan42 @altsegcat
You'd think after *three* different signaling speeds with tacked on "hey I'm actually a newer standard" backdoor signals (HS chirp last time) they'd have learned to stick a freaking capability byte in there somewhere, but no.pic.twitter.com/VcM12pyG4d
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Replying to @marcan42 @altsegcat
Seriously, what the hell is this shit. Running RS485 with smaller signal levels for low-power initial negotiation would've made 20 times more sense than this mess.pic.twitter.com/9oMrJegueY
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Replying to @altsegcat
Anyway it looks like negotiation is actually intiated by *both* sides at once. The transmitter is supposed to detect the receiver's termination impedance (!) and then initiate LFPS polling, and then both sides kind of meet in the middle. I don't even.
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Replying to @marcan42
This feels like a standard compromised into existance by host and device manufacturers arguing that silicon is expensive, and they don't want to implement that, let the other end do it. Now both ends do it.
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Replying to @altsegcat
I'm starting to think the standard is designed to keep everything as complicated as possible to guarantee that nobody not paying money to USB-IF can even begin to understand it and get working silicon out.
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Anyway, the short circuit/overload protection stuff is pretty hand-wavey, and they don't even define maximum common-mode voltages, so honestly given that I wouldn't try to abuse SS signals for sideband anything. Even what Behringer is doing scares me now.
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Replying to @marcan42
Well that's a damn shame, would have been a cool way of hiding a debug port in a product
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