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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      I mean even in the past decade or so, my time with console hacking, IRC trolling was rarely a problem. We had zero-tolerance policies about things. It's the larger, loosely moderated forums and communities like gbatemp (and now Twitter) where shit got (and gets) nasty.

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    2. hedge.txt | Mostly Inactive, except when not‏ @hedgeberg 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @Inari_Whitebear

      You should read the article, there's a lot to be said about "back in my day" thought. There were a few gems, but the reality is this mentality has been a thing long before mass scale social media, and it won't change without a pivot in thought.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jul 2018
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      I'm still reading it, but my point is that yes, people have always been assholes, but the "don't feed the troll [and wait for an admin to kick them]" formula worked back in the days of small communities. The second part is important.

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    4. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      I'd say actively seek an admin rather than wait for one. Consider also that your view of how things used to be is filtered through a lens of privilege. Not all the assholes were removed or called out.

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    5. Inari Whitebear‏ @Inari_Whitebear 13 Jul 2018
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      Priviledge? More like, just which community you happened to be in :P And it depends, in some communities I am in admins are relatively ever-present and it was considered bad to poke them because it also gives the troll attention. But of course if they are less active, poke them.

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    6. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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      No, by privilege I mean the prestige that comes with, for instance, being viewed as someone responsible for the existence of a community. The privilege of not being a target for some obnoxious "jokes"

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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      That isn't exactly a privilege. You get a lot more shit for being involved and "running things". Anyway, yes, I meant ping an admin and wait for them to show up. That's how it always worked in IRC.

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    8. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @Inari_Whitebear @hedgeberg

      It's a different kind of shit though. Neither you nor I get targeted for our identities. I don't wander into dev communities and discover my race, gender or sexuality being used as a slur and admins ignoring it.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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      Sure, but we don't get targeted because we have identities not subject to that kind of abuse, not because we're at this or that position in the community. IMO being higher up *amplifies* the amount of abuse you're likely to get for whatever reason.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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      I got plenty of shit for not supporting piracy, and I'm sure if I were trans I would've gotten even more shit for that than if I had been just a random dev. Being more visible always makes things worse.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @davejmurphy and

      It does shift the moderation balance, in that issues the admins are personally sympathetic to are more likely to wind up being policed. And yes, we probably let some toxicity go through unchecked back in the day that we shouldn't have.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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          But I think it's also fair to say that things have gotten worse, much worse. Back in the day we had obnoxious jokes. These days we have people trying to destroy other people's lives. Doxing, etc. Doesn't excuse the former, but the community has definitely gotten way more toxic.

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        3. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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          It does seem that way. I sometimes wonder if it's that we're much more aware of these things when they happen now. I also think the more ephemeral nature of IRC helped allow drama to fade

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