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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. hedge.txt | Mostly Inactive, except when not‏ @hedgeberg 12 Jul 2018
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      hedge.txt | Mostly Inactive, except when not Retweeted Simone de Rochefort

      On why "don't feed the trolls" is bullshit: 'The second you treat them as a “constant” or inescapable part of your community, you have given them permission' Damn good articlehttps://twitter.com/doomquasar/status/1017445656569491459 …

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      Simone de RochefortVerified account @doomquasar
      this is good https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17561768/dont-feed-the-trolls-online-harassment-abuse …
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    2. Inari Whitebear‏ @Inari_Whitebear 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @hedgeberg

      I always saw that phrase used as like "Don't respond to their trolling and give them attention, have an operator kick them"

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    3. hedge.txt | Mostly Inactive, except when not‏ @hedgeberg 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Inari_Whitebear

      Yeah except if trolling is present, it's already too late. They talk about zero strike policies in there and how helpful they can be, but in unmoderated spaces (cough Twitter cough) the best thing you can do is name and shame, and then block.

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      That's the thing though, back in the day the Internet was largely a series of small, to some extent manageable, moderated communities. It's only recently that massive global unmoderated shared spaces are a thing. "Don't feed the troll" doesn't work with those.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      I mean even in the past decade or so, my time with console hacking, IRC trolling was rarely a problem. We had zero-tolerance policies about things. It's the larger, loosely moderated forums and communities like gbatemp (and now Twitter) where shit got (and gets) nasty.

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    6. hedge.txt | Mostly Inactive, except when not‏ @hedgeberg 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @Inari_Whitebear

      You should read the article, there's a lot to be said about "back in my day" thought. There were a few gems, but the reality is this mentality has been a thing long before mass scale social media, and it won't change without a pivot in thought.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 12 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      I'm still reading it, but my point is that yes, people have always been assholes, but the "don't feed the troll [and wait for an admin to kick them]" formula worked back in the days of small communities. The second part is important.

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    8. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hedgeberg @Inari_Whitebear

      I'd say actively seek an admin rather than wait for one. Consider also that your view of how things used to be is filtered through a lens of privilege. Not all the assholes were removed or called out.

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    9. Inari Whitebear‏ @Inari_Whitebear 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @davejmurphy @marcan42 @hedgeberg

      Priviledge? More like, just which community you happened to be in :P And it depends, in some communities I am in admins are relatively ever-present and it was considered bad to poke them because it also gives the troll attention. But of course if they are less active, poke them.

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    10. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Inari_Whitebear @marcan42 @hedgeberg

      No, by privilege I mean the prestige that comes with, for instance, being viewed as someone responsible for the existence of a community. The privilege of not being a target for some obnoxious "jokes"

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @davejmurphy @Inari_Whitebear @hedgeberg

      That isn't exactly a privilege. You get a lot more shit for being involved and "running things". Anyway, yes, I meant ping an admin and wait for them to show up. That's how it always worked in IRC.

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        2. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 13 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @marcan42 @Inari_Whitebear @hedgeberg

          It's a different kind of shit though. Neither you nor I get targeted for our identities. I don't wander into dev communities and discover my race, gender or sexuality being used as a slur and admins ignoring it.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @davejmurphy @Inari_Whitebear @hedgeberg

          Sure, but we don't get targeted because we have identities not subject to that kind of abuse, not because we're at this or that position in the community. IMO being higher up *amplifies* the amount of abuse you're likely to get for whatever reason.

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