if you consider solely point-of-sale transactions, traditional banking uses much less energy
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Replying to @hikari_no_yume @spiroseliot and
and actually even if traditional banking uses more energy overall, it doesn't help *efficiency*
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Replying to @hikari_no_yume @spiroseliot and
the traditional banking system can process several orders of magnitude more transactions
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Replying to @hikari_no_yume @spiroseliot and
And ATMs do more anyway. That's dealing with physical cash. We already have cash-less centralized banking systems. Comparing Bitcoin to the cash-based economy and not the cashless economy is not a fair comparison.
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Replying to @marcan42 @hikari_no_yume and
similarly, points of sale worldwide consume massive amounts of power in aggregate, but that'd be true regardless of the payment system used
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Replying to @11rcombs @hikari_no_yume and
Bitcoin points of sale (real ones participating in the network) would use way more energy than traditional ones anyway. You can't run bitcoind on a tiny embedded platform with megabytes of storage.
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yes you can. There are thousand of raspberry pi 3 bitcoin nodes right now. and many lightning nodes at the same hardware that can handle 10x transactions than the traditional banking system. I dont know any bank to run in a system like this
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Replying to @spiroseliot @11rcombs and
You don't seem to understand the concept of "megabyte". I'm talking about things like POS terminals, which have much, much smaller CPUs than a Raspberry Pi, much less RAM and storage. And Lightning cannot handle the transaction volume of traditional banking, not even close.
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lightning can handle much more trasnactions per hour even from the more popular payment system. And of course you can run a thin client of bitcoin even to a low cost mobile or to a pos like this. But this is not my point for what i say before.
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Replying to @spiroseliot @11rcombs and
Lightning is just a layer on top of Bitcoin. It still relies on the underlying Bitcoin to open and close payment channels. It requires Bitcoin transactions for every exceptional condition. The # of those in a global payment network alone vastly exceeds Bitcoin's capacity.
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I mean, I know you're drinking the kool-aid and all, but seriously, try actually reading the relevant research papers and doing some simple back-of-the-envelope calculations. You'll see this stuff can't possibly work at a scale even close to traditional payment systems.
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