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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @hikari_no_yume @spiroseliot and

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      They mean one transaction. Do the math. I did and it checks out. 300 kWh *per transaction*. Not per block. Per single transaction in the block. Yes, Bitcoin is *that* ridiculously inefficient.https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/953775357978591232 …

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      Hector Martin @marcan42
      Bitcoin consumes 4,000,000,000 W of power to process four transactions per second. A single Raspberry Pi with a database can do an order of magnitude more on 5W. Think about that next time you wonder if it's a good design.
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    2. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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      how you calculate txs per block when every txs can include dozen of transactions or when every block has not stable txs? Public your paper and your calculations so everyone to do a proper tech analysis. Now you say just bullshits or worst just a click bait.

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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      You calculate the maximum number of transactions per block given the blocksize limit. Read the thread. This is not rocket science. You take publicly available estimates of Bitcoin mining power consumption and do some simple math.

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    4. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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      no you cant. And is another proof that you dont know how bitcoin-blockchain works. I dont say that bitcoin not use energy but this calculations are completely false.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @spiroseliot @hikari_no_yume and

      If you want to claim I made a mistake in the calculation, you're going to have to point out the mistake. Just saying "you're wrong" without an explanation just makes *you* look like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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    6. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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      i just told you but your cant understand it because your dont know how bitcoin system works.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @spiroseliot @hikari_no_yume and

      I'm sure I don't know how Bitcoin works; I just happened to read the original Bitcoin paper and build a Cell SPE miner 8 years ago. I also got out when it became clear the community had spiraled out of control and the current system was unsustainable.

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    8. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hikari_no_yume and

      can you understand this? https://blockchain.info/tx/0d74fab8619a380026882f757555307b80af0ee9b8d274b44a3e963ab6c5046b … No Educate yourself first and after that we can talk. A good place to start is here https://lopp.net/bitcoin.html 

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    9. hikari, Kanbaru enthusiast  🌟 other Andrea‏ @hikari_no_yume 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @spiroseliot @marcan42 and

      that's a bitcoin transaction

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    10. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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      i really dont have time. You can easily find what i try to say three tweets before... :P I cant answer the same thing to every "supporter" of this non tech guy. What kind of media is this? The blind-tech fest?

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @spiroseliot @hikari_no_yume and

      If you're trying to argue that the number of transactions per block is variable (I think that's what you're trying to argue? You're doing a terrible job of it) the point is that's is a *maximum* number of minimum-sized transactions, and you can use that to do the calculation.

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        2. hikari, Kanbaru enthusiast  🌟 other Andrea‏ @hikari_no_yume 28 Jun 2018
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          and that maximum therefore calculates the *minimum* bitcoin energy use if there's less transactions per block, bitcoin is even *less* efficient, so it doesn't really work as a defence

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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          Maybe he's arguing that a single Bitcoin txn can "count" as many because it has many inputs and/or outputs. Which is still a useless argument, because the more inputs/outputs the larger it is, and the fewer fit in a block. At most a tiny constant improvement over many small txns.

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        2. spiroseliot‏ @spiroseliot 28 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @marcan42 @hikari_no_yume and

          you calculate transactions to bitcoin as a single input output this is wrong. Every AtM use 5520W. There are over 400,000 ATM to USA. That means that only in USA the ATM's uses 2428800000w

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 28 Jun 2018
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          What exactly makes you think a single ATM uses 5520W? Here's an ATM datasheet. 260W idle, 410W during a transaction. http://www2.diebold.com/gssasupaes/cut_sheets/cut_sheet_files/Self%20service%20terminals%20-%20ATMs/BulkCash%20terminals/177443r02.pdf …

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