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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      64bit internal, 53bit external... this has been known for like 20yr

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    2. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      here, 6yr ago... http://2ality.com/2012/07/large-integers.html …

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      You do not understand floating point numbers. 2^53 is not the largest integer that can be represented accurately in 64-bit floats. *All* the integers *from zero to 2^53* can be represented, but *many more larger than that* can too. Just not all of them.

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    4. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      just read the URL i linked, it explains things very well

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    5. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      Jason Mulligan Retweeted BrendanEich

      or... i dunno, argue with brendanhttps://twitter.com/brendaneich/status/526826278377099264?lang=en …

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      @asbradbury We will get int64/uint64 in ES7 (which means in top browsers soon, under a flag at first in some) or I will eat my twitter-hat.
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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      Yes, the URL you linked explains it: beyond 53 bits, you can only represent every 2 integers (and then every 4, then every 8, etc). But *you can still represent those integers*. The integer I'm using as an example is one such integer you *can* represent. Read it yourself again.

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    7. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      yeah, you can, and you can also get rounding errors based entirely on the engine... you can't do that in production, so most don't consider it an option

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      No, you cannot get "rounding errors based on the engine". IEEE 754 is *precisely* defined. The *same* integers are, or aren't, representable in *every single system using IEEE 754". The only problem here is toString rounds some integers to impossible ones for no reason.

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    9. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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      you think every implementation follows the spec properly? this is web browsers; today doesn't apply to last decade, where the constraints existed

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      IEEE 754 predates web browsers. It came out in 1985. And besides, IEEE 754 is baked into CPUs anyway, so browsers aren't going to randomly mess it up. The only problem here is JS *lies* when converting to a string.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      No other programming language does this. No other programming language takes a floating-point value representing an integer, and, when converting it to a string, says "you know what, I'm going to give you a different integer, without any indication that rounding has occurred".

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        2. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Jun 2018
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          yeah, i know. i've been dealing with the oddness since the beginning... i'm not trying to defend it, just tried to point you at the 'why'. v8 has bigint now, and so does node 10.4.x afaik, so things are getting better (slowly, very slowly)

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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          Yes, and hilariously, (4611686018427387904).toString() is "4611686018427388000" (the wrong answer), while BigInt(4611686018427388000).toString() is "4611686018427387904" (the right answer) (or it will be once Chrome catches up with the spec, right now it's an error).

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