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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      Here's the IEEE 754 spec explicitly saying conversions to integer must use the exact integer when the value is representable in both formats. JS is violating the IEEE 754 standard. Please don't make excuses about different representations for the same float. This is *broken*.pic.twitter.com/pUEdUCxGEd

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      This is about string representation; I've explained this in other threads. JS has one number format, but it *pretends* to make the distinction when converting to string, by notating floats with exact integer values differently (without a decimal point, unlike other languages).

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      Which is all fine and everything, until it starts spitting out decimal representations of integer values that aren't the actual integer value represented by a given float.

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      My point is that floats *are* Proper Integers: up to 53 bits they can represent every possible integer, and beyond that they can represent certain integers (but those integers, they represent exactly). JS is printing a *different* integer than what the float represents.

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    10. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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      I'm not sure what number you're talking about. It's JS that is printing impossible numbers. 4611686018427387904 *is* possible to represent in float64. *Exactly*. With zero loss of precision. Absolutely, 100% exactly that number.

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      4611686018427388000 is *not* possible to represent in float64. It does not exist on the set of possible float64 values. And yet, when you take 4611686018427387904, represent it as a float64 (which JS can do), and toString() it, JS returns 4611686018427388000 which is *wrong*!

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Jun 2018
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          4611686018427387904 (decimal) == 2^62 == 0x1.0000000000000p+62 (float64) == [43 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00] (big-endian hex encoding of float64) are all representations of the same, exact, precise integer, with no loss or rounding. But JS's toString returns 4611686018427388000.

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          Literally, the bytes inside a JS interpreter's RAM will contain [43 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00], per the IEEE 754 spec that *means 4611686018427387904*, and yet you call toString on that value and it returns something else. I don't know how to make this any clearer.

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