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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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      Please, JS is crap in multiple ways, but bad faith is just boring

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      What's bad faith here? This is how floating-point works. No other language does this, to my knowledge.

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    3. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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      5.8 is about conversion to integer formats. JS doesn’t even *have* an integer format. Stringifying is not converting to an integer format, it’s converting to a string

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      A string which is a sequence of digits with no decimal point. That's what we humans call "an integer".

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    5. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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      Humans maybe, ieee-754 no

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      String representations are for humans. The reasonable interpretation of getting a bunch of digits out of toString is "this string is a representation of an integer value". And it turns out said integer value is *not* what IEEE-754 says the integer value of the float is.

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    7. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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      I don’t have 754 handy, but I’m pretty sure it does not consider 2**62 representable in a fp64 in the first place

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      Yes it does. Any integer value with less than 53 bits of significand (up until the max exponent) is representable in fp64. The definition of "representable" is simply any value you can express within a given floating point format.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      s=0, b=2, m=1, e=62 (other combinations encode the same number; this definition is prior to the actual binary encoding which maximizes m)pic.twitter.com/bpUSYHdhSp

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    10. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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      That standard uses an interesting way of defining numbers. In any case, JS has chosen its string conversion so that tonumber(tostring(x))==x and the string has a minumum number of significant digits. 754 does not define conversions to string

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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      754 defines conversion to integer and common sense says the returned string represents an integer when it's just digits. If you choose to claim it doesn't, then we can agree JS doesn't violate 754, it instead violates common sense and the principle of least surprise.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Jun 2018
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          IOW: if defending JS requires claiming that the text 4611686018427387904 unambiguously represents a float and not an integer, you've already lost.

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        3. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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          JS not having an integer type nor a bignum is where we've all lost in the first place.

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        1. Olivier Galibert‏ @o_galibert 19 Jun 2018
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          A machine integer is not a string unless you're talking COBOL (and even COBOL tends to BCD-pack values). Stop conflating conversion to string and conversion to integer, it's *not* the same thing.

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