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    Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2

    To recap: If you know a name has ties to Nazi mythology it is absolutely not acceptable to name your publicly funded research after it, anyway. There are lots of names.https://www.newsweek.com/nasa-named-its-next-new-horizons-target-ultima-thule-mythical-land-nazi-844318 …

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    • Lex, boy wonder Lynn (Aislynn) Thammuz Babylon Magnus Överengen 📎 🇸🇪 🇪🇺 🌍 MoAde M. J. La Princesse Orpheline Nezumi KATE Jonathan Ehrich quinton  G
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      2. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2

        I mean, don't name your privately funded research after Nazi mythology, either. But ffs, you're the federal government.

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      3. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2

        "Oh, yeah, that does sound cool, but isn't that associated with the Nazis somehow?" *everybody checks Wikipedia* "Dammit. Nazis ruin everything. Okay, next idea for the name ..." I am honestly at a loss to understand how this was not the end of it.

        20 replies . 31 retweets 306 likes
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      4. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2

        More seriously, you know how I'm always yelling on here about how it's stupid and dangerous to pretend science exists in an objectivity bubble uninfluenced by all politics and culture? Do you remember that? *stares in Midwestern*

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      2. Aleksi Roinila‏ @aleroi Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @PlanetDr

        Thule is a well-known Swedish sportswear / outdoors company. Ultima Thule is a brand name of a well-known Finnish design house since. How are either related to Nazis?

        11 replies . 1 retweet 150 likes
      3. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2
        Replying to @aleroi @PlanetDr

        Please read the article. There's a tie to Nazi mythology. The people at NASA knew that and picked the name anyway. There are literal Nazis marching in the streets here. This is a not okay choice for the federal government. I don't really care what else shares the name

        26 replies . 3 retweets 82 likes
      4. Clovis‏ @clovis69 Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @aleroi @PlanetDr

        There’s a much older tie to Greenland and a an ancient geographical meaning “past the borders of the known world".

        6 replies . 1 retweet 192 likes
      5. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2
        Replying to @clovis69 @aleroi @PlanetDr

        That's great. But you know, sometimes the Nazis fucking ruin things. Think of how you'd think about two adults if you found out they named their kid Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot. Now imagine you pay taxes to those parents and they're in charge of your country.

        42 replies . 7 retweets 126 likes
      6. Luís Dias‏ @lmldias Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @clovis69 and

        Yes, they do, especially when you let them, like how you're doing here.

        2 replies . 1 retweet 71 likes
      7. David Hindberg‏ @DavidHindberg Jan 2
        Replying to @lmldias @maggiekb1 and

        Just because you're fine with the choice of name, doesn't mean others are. What's worse, by chosing such a name, you run the risk of making some of the newer nazis feel legitimized. Was that the intend? Nope, but it could happen. It's simply just okay, to name it something else.

        11 replies . 1 retweet 8 likes
      8. Luís Dias‏ @lmldias Jan 2
        Replying to @DavidHindberg @maggiekb1 and

        in what deranged possible way could a name like this ever "legitimize" nazis? If anything, when I would listen or watch Richard Spencer try to "own" this rock in space, he'd be immediately laughed at.

        3 replies . 0 retweets 19 likes
      9. David Hindberg‏ @DavidHindberg Jan 2
        Replying to @lmldias @maggiekb1 and

        It doesn't really matter, though, what YOU would hear. To the people who's outside society, because they've chosen to hate other people, this kind of rhetoric can empower them. And that's no matter what the intend behind was.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Paul Guinnessy‏ @PaulGuinnessy Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1

        I thought the answer, "well its not an official name and we picked it because we got fed up saying 2014 MU69 was a bit weak." They could call it 'peanut' for starters if they don't like numbers.

        2 replies . 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2
        Replying to @PaulGuinnessy

        Look, my brain is still slightly on vacation mode, but if I am faced with the designation MU69 and the option (apparently) of picking wildly inappropriate nicknames, I could come up with something better than Ultima Thule.

        4 replies . 4 retweets 31 likes
      4. Elizabeth‏ @VultureChow Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @PaulGuinnessy

        Boom. Hire me NASA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_love_and_lust_deities …

        0 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Raygun_Renagade‏ @GothicAtomic Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @PlanetDr

        I thought I was the only one that caught the Thule thing. Everytime I heard the name I thought to myself "Space Nazis".

        2 replies . 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2
        Replying to @GothicAtomic @PlanetDr

        I hadn't caught it at all, until I hopped on Twitter last night. I'd just been thinking "man, that sounds like something from a 1930s fantasy novel." Which, yes. Apparently.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. Raygun_Renagade‏ @GothicAtomic Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @PlanetDr

        Funny thing is the thought Thule was a land in the Artic.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Aditi Nadkarni, PhD‏ @aditinadkarni Jan 2
        Replying to @maggiekb1 @BeeBrookshire

        Not playing devil’s advocate here. Sincere question: I am Indian. The holy symbol of swastika (a Sanskrit word) was exploited by Nazis & made a symbol of hate. But in India, during festivals & in Hindu temples you see it used—it is still a part of our culture. Is that wrong?

        2 replies . 0 retweets 23 likes
      3. Bethany Brookshire‏ @BeeBrookshire Jan 2
        Replying to @aditinadkarni @maggiekb1

        So as a Jew who has a rather visceral reaction to that symbol: In my opinion there's a difference here. The swastika isn't a new symbol for people in India, and it’s not being taken on as a symbol of something new. It was theirs to begin with.

        2 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. Bethany Brookshire‏ @BeeBrookshire Jan 2
        Replying to @BeeBrookshire @aditinadkarni @maggiekb1

        Nazis perverted the symbol (and it still gives me the crawling heebie-jeebies), but people never stopped using it for its original purpose. In this case, though, NASA was deliberately naming something new, and used a phrase that had become perverted to name the new thing.

        2 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Bethany Brookshire‏ @BeeBrookshire Jan 2
        Replying to @BeeBrookshire @aditinadkarni @maggiekb1

        They picked that Ultima Thule KNOWING its Nazi implications. It’s still frequently used that way. They just decided that meh, it didn't matter. Which…wow. Just wow.

        4 replies . 0 retweets 8 likes
      6. Bethany Brookshire‏ @BeeBrookshire Jan 2
        Replying to @BeeBrookshire @aditinadkarni @maggiekb1

        And it’s not like there weren’t other names to choose from! Heck in the popularity contest it only came in 7th!https://www.newsweek.com/nasa-named-its-next-new-horizons-target-ultima-thule-mythical-land-nazi-844318 …

        1 reply . 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Aditi Nadkarni, PhD‏ @aditinadkarni Jan 2
        Replying to @BeeBrookshire @maggiekb1

        That is definitely odd that they chose the 7th most popular name! What were the other candidates I wonder. Most people are not aware of the Nazi association.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Bethany Brookshire‏ @BeeBrookshire Jan 2
        Replying to @aditinadkarni @maggiekb1

        Here were the other options. http://www.frontierworlds.org/vote 

        1 reply . 0 retweets 2 likes
      9. Maggie Koerth-Baker‏Verified account @maggiekb1 Jan 2
        Replying to @BeeBrookshire @aditinadkarni

        Almost all of those are equally awesome sounding. Plenty are equally marketable. And, again, the people who chose this knew about the Nazi connection. It's just such a lazy privilege thing. Take the two seconds to go "Oh, yeaaah, that's maybe not a thing we want to bring up."

        2 replies . 0 retweets 7 likes
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