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    1. Benn "DJ D-Vol" Eifert‏ @bennpeifert 26 Dec 2021

      I get this question a lot in DMs so putting it here so I can refer to it later. "Why do put options and call options at the same strike have different implied volatilities (attaches screenshot of broker GUI)?"

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 26 Dec 2021
      Replying to @bennpeifert

      Is it possible they’re sometimes not equal because they are American, and there’s some kind of dividend and/or borrow thing going on? I try not to think about American options so I may be completely off, but this at least sounds plausible.

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        2. breakeven‏ @std_dev 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          well, technically it would not be a difference of implied. Certainly the dollar value of the extrinsic would be different.

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        3. breakeven‏ @std_dev 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @std_dev @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          another issue is that typically deep options are quoted wide, and, when i used to play, low (meaning expected sellers). so if you use the mid of a deep option to calc implied, it can give wacky results -- esp for american options. if i'm calc'g implieds, i ignore itm options

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        2. experquisite‏ @experquisite 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          Last time I looked there were very few reasons to actually exercise early, among them saving on funding for deep ITM puts, and calls right before large but non-special dividends…

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        3. Ryan Zero‏ @ryzro 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @experquisite @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          For an American Call with dividend approaching, selling it then buying the stock is the same thing as early exercise to obtain the dividend. If you hold it you will lose by the dividend amount. If you Early EE/Sell it then buy the stock, you will break even by dividend amount.

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        2. Benn "DJ D-Vol" Eifert‏ @bennpeifert 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod

          i think u got lazy and didnt read the thread ;)

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @bennpeifert

          Ah I read it but what I understood was “the IVs are wrong because your broker has crappy input data and doesn’t care” but I think what you meant was “the IVs are wrong because the options are American and there are dividend/borrow effects, and your broker uses BS naively”

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        1. patrick hop‏ @hopbpatrick 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          Not skew

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        1. Salvatore Rubino‏ @salr_nyc 26 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @bennpeifert

          Of course they are unequal because they are American. We are a very unequal country 😉 (Cringes, ducks)pic.twitter.com/5HOzpPppUj

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