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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

      Cute fact about the Zillow thing is that even if Zillow's model was more accurate than local agent valuations, local agents/property owners can still win on average because they get to choose which houses to buy/sell.

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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

      Easy to see this with a simple, dumb model. Generate a data set of 100k houses with "true" values uniformly at random between $250k and $2.5m, and generate Zillow valuations (true value + 5% random noise) and agent valuations (true value + 10% random noise)pic.twitter.com/slVks94pWN

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    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

      Say the agent sells to Zillow if the price offered (Z's valuation) is more than 20% above what the agent thinks the house is worth, i.e. the deals that happen are the ones in yellow below.pic.twitter.com/uV5IB0egZM

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

      Let's be optimistic and assume that Zillow manages to sell the houses for their true value (haha). They buy 6,000 houses at an average loss of $50k/house before fees and a total loss of > $300m, all due to adverse selection. This is what their distribution of P&L looks like.pic.twitter.com/5LFvYNNuxW

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    5. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 3 Nov 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod

      Why does this not hold for, say, IPOs.

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    6. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 3 Nov 2021
      Replying to @ritwik_priya @macrocephalopod

      Also, why is Zillow simply putting in bids for all houses at their internal model valuation, rather than putting in bids specifically when the list price, which is say local agent valuation + Delta + random noise is < 10% below Zillow's internal pricing.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021
      Replying to @ritwik_priya

      I expect it still works if you model Zillow’s bids as conditional on Zillow valuation > agent valuation, but I haven’t tried it.

      4:14 PM - 3 Nov 2021
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        2. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 4 Nov 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod

          But it's not just that. The model is built on Zillow passively bidding without seeing a mkt price i.e. writing options (limit orders). But why would they do that? They can see a listing's price. And respond when internal model suggests crossing the market is not costly.

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        3. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 4 Nov 2021
          Replying to @ritwik_priya @macrocephalopod

          So I don't get you get such a result while assuming that Zillow's fair price model is fine. Unless they did something monumentally stupid. To make a loss buying and flipping houses, your fair price model has to be consistently, systematically wrong.

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