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    macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

    Cute fact about the Zillow thing is that even if Zillow's model was more accurate than local agent valuations, local agents/property owners can still win on average because they get to choose which houses to buy/sell.

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      2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

        Easy to see this with a simple, dumb model. Generate a data set of 100k houses with "true" values uniformly at random between $250k and $2.5m, and generate Zillow valuations (true value + 5% random noise) and agent valuations (true value + 10% random noise)pic.twitter.com/slVks94pWN

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      3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

        Say the agent sells to Zillow if the price offered (Z's valuation) is more than 20% above what the agent thinks the house is worth, i.e. the deals that happen are the ones in yellow below.pic.twitter.com/uV5IB0egZM

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      4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 3 Nov 2021

        Let's be optimistic and assume that Zillow manages to sell the houses for their true value (haha). They buy 6,000 houses at an average loss of $50k/house before fees and a total loss of > $300m, all due to adverse selection. This is what their distribution of P&L looks like.pic.twitter.com/5LFvYNNuxW

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      1. ChilyVily‏ @RussianTrollCap 3 Nov 2021
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        So they basically need to completely vertically integrate by buildings their houses or sharing data with developers somehow

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      1. MITpatsFan‏ @mitpatsfan 3 Nov 2021
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        Very nice explanation, thanks! The curse of any market maker is adverse selection, even if you have a better model! Same result would happen to Citadel if they always offered to trade at mid.

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      1. Justin Nelson‏ @JustinDoesMath 3 Nov 2021
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        The lesson from this explanation would be that there’s a lot of work in between getting a signal and building a trading strategy. They are not one of the same. Separate steps. Both very important.

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      2. pleonasm‏ @UAL_Fan 3 Nov 2021
        Replying to @macrocephalopod

        Machine learning goes to an illiquid market. You love to see it.pic.twitter.com/CH4v3leEck

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      3. pleonasm‏ @UAL_Fan 3 Nov 2021
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        Will Zillow start doing PFOF to only see houses from the retail owners that haven't listed or heavily reached yet.

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      1. kyle o’hehir‏ @financeguy725 3 Nov 2021
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        One big adverse selection experiment

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      2. Leonardo‏ @BangTheClose 3 Nov 2021
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        Just like any trade if you’re getting insta filled it’s most likely not good. In Zillow’s case they kept putting it on over and over.

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