A fundamental problem with "value investing" -- every valuation metric implies a growth rate (the rate that would give all stocks the same expected return). Buying a "cheap" rather than "expensive" stock is just a bet that the expensive stock won't grow into its valuation,
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(Also the fact that most value metrics use consensus forecast data
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Could make the argument that AMZN would've been a value stock if sell-side had projected future metrics better 
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Topic I'd like to learn more about. Insofar as multiples are a perception of growth rate the distinction between growth and value feels like it should have less to do with multiple and more to do with uncertainty of growth rates. Valuing a metaverse co vs a car wash...
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is a different exercise. But what is it about the exercise that delimits value vs growth analysis. How do the approaches differ? I want to understand that, rather than seeing some programmatic categorization based on multiples
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a dirty little secret concealed by a lot of value rhetoric is that often market-implied and sell-side growth rates will be lower than recent actual growth rates. ultra-naive extrapolation into infinity is the exception
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Well also the preceding 5 years for that 15 year stretch saw an incredible return on equity explosion for companies on the bottom RoE quartile
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could be 1) lower rates made their cashflows today less appealing 2) cashflows sensitive to margins and they get in price wars with the disruptoooors who were getting cheap funding due to venture supercycle which was triggered by low rates 3) all the alpha got sucked up by PE
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My low IQ question: Does the “true value” of a stock matter at all? E.g recently doge, shiba — w/o dividends is tsla really any different from those? People are buying at any price not for absolute value but because EV & rockets are simple, cool, popular, hyped etc.
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Howard marks has a Great essay on value investing. One of his letters
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Question is. What information does Price multiple convey? Low multiple will stay low too without a catalyst. Value also was never strictly defined in multiples. It’s only 60s onwards the trend changed I guess.
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