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    1. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021

      It seems to me that there's a deep relationship between the sticky strike vs sticky delta assumptions (in vol surface modelling) and Bayesian updating. A smile implies a probability distribution. So when spot moves, does your pdf stay the same (sticky strike) ...

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    2. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021

      or re-centre (sticky delta)? In reality it will be somewhere in between. The new spot price is a datapoint with which you can update your "prior" probability distribution. So the degree of delta-stickiness is related to how important you think the new spot price is.

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    3. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021

      @volmagorov what do you think? I'm not sure this is yet a practical observation, but it seems to be a fairly interesting philosophical link.

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robertmartin88 @volmagorov

      I’m not an options guy but I thought this debate was resolved nearly 100% in favour of sticky delta? Most places model the smile as a function of moneyness so vol deltas on a price move are smaller.

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    5. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @volmagorov

      From the options dudes i've been speaking to, there is near-unanimous agreement that sticky strike is wrong but not everyone agrees that pure sticky delta is right.

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    6. Lily.wav‏ @nope_its_lily 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robertmartin88 @macrocephalopod @volmagorov

      Isn't this largely regime and asset dependent? But yeah, what macro said. I think I've seen some mixture models floating around.

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    7. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @nope_its_lily @macrocephalopod @volmagorov

      Yup, but I'm trying to reason about how exactly it depends on regime/asset. What drives the appropriateness of sticky strike/delta? e.g the shape of the smile depends on regime/asset, but we can reason about it in terms of flows (conscious that this may just be a narrative)

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    8. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robertmartin88 @nope_its_lily and

      for instance, equities smirk because of demand for downside protection while commods skew positive because of demand for upside protection from hedgers. So I wonder whether there is a more intuitive way of thinking about sticky strike vs delta and bayesian updating makes sense

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Jul 2021
      Replying to @robertmartin88 @nope_its_lily @volmagorov

      One thing I’d think would be important is degree of mean reversion in the underlier. Equities don’t have much (so sticky delta more likely to be appropriate) whereas rates are more likely to mean revert (which would make sticky strike more relevant).

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Jul 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @robertmartin88 and

          Equivalently, you can’t attach any meaning to an index price level so there is no reason for any particular strike to be important. But you can attach meaning to the level of rates, which makes vol more likely to stick to rates strikes.

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        3. tanguy bretagne / bzh macro‏ @pauleluard 17 Jul 2021
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          Though in rates you dont have “one and done”. Ie regimes change and you end up with a sticky surface post “information” (say CB annoucement). While equities bring earnings/warnings etc. Which lost info value quickly.

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        1. Robert Martin‏ @robertmartin88 17 Jul 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @nope_its_lily @volmagorov

          This makes sense – and agrees with this sketchy website: http://deltaquants.com/volatility-sticky-strike-vs-sticky-delta …. I think Bayesian updating explains this obs: mean-reverting => strong prior (i.e a new obs of spot doesn't tell you much). Strong prior => less updating => sticky strike appropriate

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        2. Artur Sepp: Systematic Quant Crypto/Trend/Vol‏ @ArturSepp 17 Jul 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @robertmartin88 and

          Why would the sensitivity of the implied volatility at fixed strikes depend on the mean-reversion of underlying?

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 17 Jul 2021
          Replying to @ArturSepp @robertmartin88 and

          Not an expert but eg if an index goes up 10% then you expect everything to rebase around the new level, no reason to expect reversion to the previous level so the old level ceases to matter. Another way to say it is that index level is scale free, the actual number has no meaning

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