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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

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      Here’s my take on this, because I think it’s way simpler than this thread makes out. The question is “why do ETHUSD perpetuals on bitmex trade at a premium to spot ETHUSD”?https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1403832569037135872 …

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      1) Per a conversation with @_Dave__White_: EUR/JPY, JPY/EUR, and Quantos: Why https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETHUSD … trades at a premium.
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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

      You can see the size of the premium by comparing ETHUSD perpetual swaps funding on bitmex vs two other big exchanges. It’s clearly way higher! Why?pic.twitter.com/w4rDBZCRO2

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    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

      It’s because bitmex ETHUSD is a *quanto swap* — financial lingo for a contract that pays out in a different currency to the one it references. In this case the referenced rate is ETHUSD but the contract pays out in BTC.

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

      Crucially ETHUSD is positively correlated with BTCUSD, so if ETHUSD is up, then the value of BTC (as measured in USD) is also likely to be up.

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    5. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

      So when you make money on the perpetual, you get pnl in an asset whose value is up. When you lose money on the perpetual, your losses are denominated in an asset whose value is down. So you get more on your gains and lose less on your losses.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

      That’s a win-win which needs to be paid for somehow — and they way you pay for it is with a higher funding rate. The increase in funding rate will be proportional to the volatility of both BTC and ETH, and proportional to the BTC-ETH correlation.

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

          All those numbers are high, so the required increase in the funding rate to offset the benefits is also very high — the funding rate is typically around 100% annualised, compared to 10-20% annualised for the non-quanto ETHUSD contract on other exchanges.

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Jun 2021

          No bread, no houses, no teddy bears required to understand it — just a very basic appreciation of what a quanto is.

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