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    1. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

      Look I’m not an equity guy or a credit guy, but these passages, from latest @matt_levine newsletter, strike me as kind of obviously wrong.pic.twitter.com/RaaoXuC36b

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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

      For one thing there are loads of non-bankrupt companies whose debt trades below par, and this doesn’t imply less than full recovery nor does it imply that their equity is worthless!

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    3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

      But even for bankrupt companies it is totally rational for debt to trade below par and the equity to trade above zero, because the equity has much more optionality (if the restructuring goes well the best that the creditors can do is full recovery, the rest goes to shareholders)

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    4. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

      Similarly while it’s true that distressed debt investors are more focused on the downside I don’t think that’s a difference in temperament. Rather it’s a rational response to the potential outcomes.

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

      If you’re buying debt at 40 cents the absolute best you can do is a 150% return and the worst is you lose everything. If you buy equity you can still lose everything, but your upside is unlimited (or at least, limited at a much bigger number than 150%)

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        2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

          So of course equity investors are more focused on the upside —that’s where most of the value from holding the equity is! Bond holders stop caring about the upside as soon as there’s enough money to repay the debt because that’s where they stop participating.

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        3. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 May 2021

          I’m not saying anything profound here, and there is zero shade thrown at Matt Levine, who continues to be the single best newsletter writer in the world, just thought this was neat to think about.

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