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    1. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 12 Apr 2021

      Have a silly Q about calc'ing yield volatility. The formula says to do stdev(X), where X=(YieldNew/YieldOld). But yield is already in % form. Why not do X = [YieldNew-YieldOld]? During a linear reg, Ive been told to measure yieldChng as (New-Old), not New/Old.pic.twitter.com/v8dVp5xO8J

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    2. macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal

      Yes you should take differences for yields, not ratios (this was obviously written by someone with pre-2007 “interest rates cannot be negative” brain)

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    3. Corey Hoffstein  🏴‍☠️‏Verified account @choffstein 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal

      This 👆 A more math-y answer is: see the "quest for invariance" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1753788 …

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    4. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @choffstein @macrocephalopod

      So to find spread betw trailing 30day vol of SPY & 10yr yield: SPY: column of 30 LogRets. LogRet = ln(PriceToday/PriceYesterday). TrailVol = stdev(column) * sqrt(252). 10yr: I have a col of YieldDiffs (YieldToday-YieldYestrday). TrailVol = stdev(column)*sqrt(252). Is this close?

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    5. Corey Hoffstein  🏴‍☠️‏Verified account @choffstein 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod

      Yep. Depending upon what you’re using it for, it might make sense to get an instrument that tracks the 10yr rate (e.g. 10yr govt bond index) and find the total return vol. The changing duration may be an “issue,” but it also might be important information to have.

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    6. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @choffstein @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod

      yeah i am going to echo what corey said here. for a lot of things where maturity and/or duration is constant-ish price vol is definitely a better measure if observable. otherwise do yield vol but make sure you are properly translating it to price vol using the changing duration

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    7. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @NewRiverInvest @choffstein and

      for most stuff you can def just use price vol if you are working off of mkt products since most of the stuff with options rolls its holdings or has a moving CTD but if you have static holdings you have to remember that yield vol is partly a f(x) of term, sim to vega/sqrt(t) adj.

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    8. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @NewRiverInvest @choffstein @macrocephalopod

      I see, anywhere I can learn the equations to do this? I dont have access to prices, only constant maturity treasury yields via FRED for now. Thanks again!

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    9. Simcoe‏ @Simcoe__ 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @NewRiverInvest and

      I would use SHY as a proxy for the 1-3yr, IEF for 7-10yr and TLT for 20yr+. I’m assuming you are simply looking for a quick way to calc the returns. Using the yields is a nightmare because duration is fluid.

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    10. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @Simcoe__ @NewRiverInvest and

      Ok this is much simpler thank you! So the issue w duration is, its non constant, so the relationship betw the moves in the bond's yield and the moves in the price is not consistent. so yield vol is not a good proxy for price Vol, which we want for apples2apples comparison

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      macrocephalopod‏ @macrocephalopod 12 Apr 2021
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @Simcoe__ and

      Duration is not constant but like... it’s not constant in the same way that gravity is not constant (it’s weaker when you go higher). It matters if you are a rocket scientist or a fixed income specialist, if you are just doing some simple analytics it’s not that important imo.

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        1. NRI Inc‏ @NewRiverInvest 12 Apr 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal and

          agree with the cephalopod. do not hustle to get precision that is higher than the bid-offer spread + a typical IV/PX gap for the ETF. a lot of us make a living with *good enough* calcs. remember you are px taker not a maker, all you have to know what side of b/o you're on

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        2. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal 12 Apr 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @Simcoe__ and

          So if that's the case, maybe I can stick to my original method? Im just trying to see the relationship betw trailing volatility in certain treasuries, w future returns in XLF. Originally I did stdev(Column Of [CurrentYield - priorDayYield]) *sqrt(252)

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        3. Simcoe‏ @Simcoe__ 12 Apr 2021
          Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @macrocephalopod and

          Your equation is missing the duration adjustment? Diff in yield * duration = % return.

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        1. Simcoe‏ @Simcoe__ 12 Apr 2021
          Replying to @macrocephalopod @M1tchRosenthal and

          True, a constant duration proxy only becomes a factor over long time horizons. But I'm always looking at long term horizons, so I'm sensitive to it. I also have issues finding historical duration values, especially in high yield.

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